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Generation & Transmission Losses.

Are they really this bad. So let's make it a gas, man.

  • Bare in mind that all this green path to economic ruin is based on the assumption that man made  CO2 is the sole cause of our current warming of the planet. Which is purely speculative. 

  • depending which bunch of wild estimates you prefer, theremay be as much as 50years or as little as 10 of frackable shale gas under the UK.

    University of Nottingham reckons the lower estimate, based on playing with British geological survey core samples in the lab, and the DOE and ECIU reckons on the higher figure based on a desk study of flow rate  in similar rocks in the US. 

    It has been linked to small tremors from underground earthquakes, but only a few km from the sites.

    In either case, it is a stop gap energy solution , my kids will still be alive when it runs out, and most wiring going in today will still be in service, either way ;-)

    Mike,

  • CO2 levels are not fine and are heading in the wrong direction.

  • That maybe so. Buy not categorically proven cause of global warming and climate change. And certainly not proven to be wholey man made.

  • Harry Macdonald: 
     

    CO2 levels are not fine and are heading in the wrong direction.

    The planet is loving the CO2. So are humans. That's how we've managed to increase our population from 1 billion to 8.5 billion in the last century.

  • Harry Macdonald: 
     

    CO2 levels are not fine and are heading in the wrong direction.

    Actually you're dead right. We don't have any for the food and drinks industries.

  • Jon Steward: 
     

    That maybe so. Buy not categorically proven cause of global warming and climate change. And certainly not proven to be wholey man made.

    Wholly being the operative word. Seems global warming is inevitable and we can not stop it. 

    I live near Pendle Hill . I could climb up, sit on a slope and slide down. Ok so far , I`d get to the bottom of the hill (disaster). I could put oil under my seat and slide down faster or I could put grit under it and slide down slower. I`d vote for grit.

  • ebee: 
     

    Jon Steward: 
     

    That maybe so. Buy not categorically proven cause of global warming and climate change. And certainly not proven to be wholey man made.

    Wholly being the operative word. Seems global warming is inevitable and we can not stop it. 

    I live near Pendle Hill . I could climb up, sit on a slope and slide down. Ok so far , I`d get to the bottom of the hill (disaster). I could put oil under my seat and slide down faster or I could put grit under it and slide down slower. I`d vote for grit.

    But if the grit cost more than you can reasonably afford to pay. What then?

  • “Reasonably” afford to pay seems the bit we a struggling to define - the cost of rehousing all the folks whose lands become uninhabitable over here instead may be very high, at the level of warfare, rather than just the lights going off or an argument about planning permissions and greenbelt land.. 

    Be careful what you wish for - look at the problems associated with pushing a few migrant boats in the channel, this is a small no of people mostly displaced by the economic collapse of conflicts,  or persecution for political/ religious belief .  If you let it grow to the state when you get whole countries full on the move, because their lives will end if they do not, it will be a game we cannot win. Those of us in the comfortable places who cannot manage without our drinking water and nice housing at the moment will not be able to handle it.

    And the reason we are 9bn more compared to ~ 1 in the 1800s, is mostly down to hygiene like drains and drinking water, and then better medication and understanding of disease both our own, and for plants/livestock. Some of that has certainly come hand in hand with rising energy consumption, but the Victorian plumbing was largely installed by manual labour, not dug by machine and planned by computer, and my grandparents generation thought of ploughing by horse as normal.

    If you are over 50, you have probably lived though the burning of about half the oil on the planet that has ever been burnt so far, and unless you think your childhood was particularly energy deprived, it is not clear that it was really necessary.

    Mike.

     

  • Well Mike (Mapj1) I am now a state pensioner and yes I agree