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More Car Charging Juice Needed Humphrey? Yes Minister.

Well I never. Haven't we said so for years? Ministers are catching on at last, bless 'em.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-7894719/UK-electricity-network-needs-upgraded-cope-rising-EV-demand.html


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  • AJJewsbury:

    Far be it from me to suggest that people have been keeping a bit quiet about the plans for the major reduction in the number of cars for fear it would discourage the necessary R&D in electric vehicles, but ....




    Right now TPTB in Southampton are making a right old mess of getting to work (which I do there only once a month). It appears that a whole lane is being given over to cyclists. Very worthy no doubt, but it won't change the behaviour of most commuters from the suburbs and certainly not from further afield. In this respect, carrots might work, sticks do not. ?


    ETA: right now, the M27 is being "upgraded" to smart, presumably to make it easier to join the traffic jams in the city. 


  • AJJewsbury:

    - including reversing the traditional planning and land use zoning systems to get the places people need to often travel between physically much closer together - then encouraging non-motorized transport (walking, cycling), much improved public transport of course, then electrifying where they can the vehicles that remain. It's very early days still, but you might have noticed some of the policies having an effect already - fewer out-of-town supermarkets get permission these days, so there's an increase in "local" stores, road space reallocation away from cars towards bikes and pedestrians, 


        - Andy.




     

    Louvain la Neuve in Belgium is an interesting example of this. Built in the 1970s as a university town the centre is pedestrians and bikes only. The railway station and car parking is hidden away underground.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvain-la-Neuve



  • Right now TPTB in Southampton are making a right old mess of getting to work (which I do there only once a month). It appears that a whole lane is being given over to cyclists. Very worthy no doubt, but it won't change the behaviour of most commuters from the suburbs and certainly not from further afield. In this respect, carrots might work, sticks do not. ?





    ETA: right now, the M27 is being "upgraded" to smart, presumably to make it easier to join the traffic jams in the city. 

     


     




    At the risk of going slightly off topic (although still related to environment)...TPTB in southampton are blazingly incompetent. Every set of traffic lights is phased perfectly to cause chaos. The new cycleway you speak of has made the junction to the antelope retail park an accident waiting to happen.


    I have noticed electric charging points appearing at a few locations around the city, but only in 2s or 3s, no doubt due to the lack of capacity on the network.


    A chat with SSE when they were at our local substation (6,600 to 230/400), not the big one... they said they're seeing a lot of outages now caused by overload on the local network. All those lovely new housing estates.. tagged onto a network that's essentially seen only 'essential maintenance' in 25 years... it's not going to be pretty :(

  • Monday morning I drove down the Heads of the Valleys road in South Wales, the part that is completed is a joy to drive along, although having said that the whole journey is a pleasure once you get off the M5. 


    Whilst driving and parking are being restricted in many places there are actually some really good new and improved roads being built along with new filling stations, I went into a brand new filling station today, complete with the  obligatory Greggs counter and Costa vending machine as well as the mini supermarket.


    Andy B
  • We should not forget the £30 billion + Vat that the government currently get from the road usage tax, sorry fuel duty. What is going to fill the gap?


    Locally the centre of the local city is filling up with cafes, pubs, clubs and resturants to replace shops and the parking is expensive. The few people that live in the centre complain about the late night noise. Meanwhile the three out of town retail/entertainment parks appear to be doing well but you really need a car to get there as all the public transport is geared to getting you to/from the centre of the city. Most people I talk to do not bother with the city centre as there is a limited range of shops and the cost of parking. I  see reports that changes are proposed to the planning laws to allow easier change of use in town centres to encourage a better mix of housing/retail/offices but I have to think it is too late. 


    So whether or not the energy infrastructure will cope is perhaps not the biggest problem. Certainly locally the provision of shops, medical facilities, roads, power and sewage facilities are very far down the list when planning is given for new estates. Many are in relatively rural locations again requiring most people to have cars to get anywhere.


    I currently have a field and stables so perhaps I should be planning to get  horse again ?? Although I do live next door to a substation and my low Ze may give me some "priority" when compared to others if I can ever afford an electric vehicle. Though the  way that I am going it will be a mobility scooter. Frowning2





  • Andy B



    I have to ask before someone else does but did your brand new filling station and the head of the valley have vehicle charging points in addition to the Greggs, Costa and mini supermarket?
  • I am not sure if there are any at the garage, EV bays were on the plan, as was a cycle rack which is an obvious addition to a petrol filling station. I cannot say I noticed either. It does have a Edmundsons on the other side of the road.


    Driving down to Wales I passed close by to four branches of Screwfix and they have better signage than any EV charging points, I did not notice any EV charging poits advertised or signed at all.


    EV drivers must be members of a exclusive society with insider knowledge regarding the location of charging points.


    The Asda car park in Worcester has two charging points listed on the internet 1 x  3kW 13A  3-Square pin and 1 x  7kW 32A  Type 2 Menneke, there is a £70 penalty charge if your vehicle is in the car park for more than three hours, so how much use can those charging points be  to an EV driver?


    Andy Betteridge.
  • Looking at Zap map it seems you have to leave the main road and go to a supermarket or pub to find an EV charging point.


    Andy B.
  • Why not air the problems properly, for example Bristol, where I live.


    The City was green capital of Europe in 2015, and to get this has been made nonsense of transport. All of the traffic lights are phased to hold up traffic, and bus and cycle lanes make almost all roads to the City centre one lane only. Mostly both of these "green lanes" are unused, cyclists preferring to ride (illegally) on the pavements and even in the lane without lights at night wearing black Lycra. The council spent £240 million building a "Metrobus" system to speed journeys, which unfortunately is so badly planned that most of it runs on roads without bus lanes and buses being an hour late is normal, and usually full up as well. The standard buses are often cancelled and mostly 15-20 years old so not very good from a pollution point of view, and the council has announced a low emissions zone which covers all the vehicles on the M32 going to the city centre, with no way of avoiding huge charges! Bus fares are considerably higher than London, and don't mention the car parking charges anywhere near the City centre! Of course there is little provision for vehicle charging, perhaps 2 or 3 each in the large car parks. The LEZ is to reduce pollution from all the stationary vehicles held up by the traffic lights and resulting jams.


    Talk about zero planning or intelligence by the council, perhaps they own the traffic light manufacturers as they keep adding more, in some places one set every 100 metres, all not phased up. West into London is fantastic by comparison, it shows that the systems are there, just not used, presumably deliberately. There is relatively poor footfall in the city centre shops, and the Council wonders why!!!
  • The reason I mentioned the Heads of the Valleys road is that whilst cities like Bristol are making life difficult for people to visit and work there the The European Union  are upgrading a 15km length of the A465 Heads of the Valleys Road which provides a principal road link between south west Wales and the UK Midlands and forms part of the Trans-European Road Network.


    This road should have bee built fifty years ago, but it is a huge project that it is claimed may cost a hundred million pouds a mile that may not have been possible back then.


    Without good road access the EU can see this area of the UK will not be able to thrive and flourish.


    There are many other examples of huge road building projects in England aimed at allowing the whole country thrive and flourish, the question is will cities like Bristol and Birmingham do so in the long term is access is restricted, also what vehicles will be using these roads?


    Andy Betteridge