Sparkingchip:

The last time I spoke to my MP ...

On the one occasion when I met my MP, Ms Dineage, (which was at work so I had to behave) I had such a struggle not to say "How?" ?

Meeting Dennis Skinner aka The Beast of Bolsover during a tour of the Palace of Westminster was a memorable event. 


MPs should have a bit of character. 


Andy B.

However Deputy Prime Ministers probably should not be left in charge of regulations and legislation concerning electrical installation work, regardless of how much character they have.


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In the definitions: 

“electrical safety standards” means the standards for electrical installations in the eighteenth edition of the Wiring Regulations, published by the Institution of Engineering and Technology and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2018(5);

but then footnote 5 refers to BS IEC 60364-8-1, which I believe correlates to Appendix 17 Energy Efficiency of BS 7671

(5)  BS IEC 60364-8-1(2018 edition). Copies can be obtained from the Institute of Engineering and Technology, Michael Faraday House, Six Hill Way, Stevenage SG1 2AY.

seems like an error?

Is the law an ass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zqR8M34Vco


Z.

The proposed legislation requires the safety standard to be met. The safety standard is BS 7671:2018 as defined in the legislation.


When we carry out inspection and testing, at least those of us who are competent and have working knowledge on BS 7671 should do, comply with the general rules and in particular Chapter 65.. The Chapter 65 requirement requires the inspector to record "details of any damage, , deterioration,,defects or dangerous conditions" (651.4). Also in 651.2 "The identification of installation defects and non-compliance with the requirements of BS 7671, that may give rise to danger". There is no requirement in the Regulations to record non-compliances that do not give rise to danger. In the model forms in Appendix 6 (and we know other than Appendix 1 are not regulations only guidance) it introduces the Code C3 for non-compliances that are not dangerous or potentially dangerous.


So back we go to 651.1 which sets out the the purpose of the inspection and test "to determine, so far as reasonably practicable, whether the installation is in a satisfactory condition for continued service". So although we are not required to record C3 non-compliances we do as they are mentioned in Appendix 6. If we record a C1, C2 or FI, again following the guidance in Appendix 6, we conclude and state on the EICR the installation is "Unsatisfactory". If we record on C3 non-compliance we would record the installation as being "satisfactory".


Now here is the rub, with the new legislation it is an absolute requirement for the installation to fully comply with the safety standard which is defined as BS 7671:2018. So if we have a single C3 non-compliance the safety standard set out in the legislation is not met and remedial action has to be taken.


I would be interested in other forum members views?

Interestingly, this legislation specifically mentions BS 7671.


Weekend quiz fun ... Which other legislation specifically mentions the standard?

My first guess would be the The Electricity Safety, Quality and Continuity Regulations

I suspect it might also get a mention in the latest version of the building regs - but can't remember off the top of my head whether it was in the legislation/regulations or just the AD.

  - Andy.

What do you expect from layman, more interested in their jobsworth?, advice should have been taken from electrical safety bodies (and where are they for such important legislation?, they need to stand up and be counted).

To quote (“qualified person” means a person competent to undertake the inspection and testing required under regulation 3(1) and any further investigative or remedial work in accordance with the electrical safety standards) ... No punctuation here either.


I think that the I.E.T. should take up this case with a list of concerned members, as well as the petition from those suggested at the coal face. I suspect that estate agents are arranging for electrical inspections, and are not probably unconcerned about electrical qualifications but in the almighty dollar. I find that this attitude is prevalent with Joe Public in general.


Authorised members of registered bodies such as NAPIT, should only be allowed to carry out such electrical inspections, Their authorisation should include training and qualifications that are renewable every 5 years.


Jaymack