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Plastic cable clips!

Are they completely banned now? What about vertical switch and socket drops which will be plasterboarded over? Would this situation be exempt?
  • Folks I thank you for your input. And you are correct to pull me up on the use of the incorrect term "inflammable"! I put it down to a senior moment and should know better!


    All my wholesaler stocks in terms of fireproof fixings (see what I did there!) is enamel paint coated steel builder's band. from them - It works out at around £10 inc vat for a 10 mtre roll.

    Of course, they stock galv conduit saddles and the like, but I would imagine that the use of these would be frowned upon when hanging a bunch of T&Es - "Good workmanship and materials shall be used".

    Buckle clips can still be had online but they are not cheap - around £20 for 100.

    I wonder if Gas Safe have introduced similar constraints for plastic clips used with either plastic or copper pipe runs?

  • https://www.screwfix.com/p/schneider-electric-thorsman-fire-cable-clips-for-twin-earth-cable-1-2-5mm-silver-100pk/767gv  are a bit pricey, but they satisfy your demand for good workmanship. If the cable is on view I'd go for those. If it's not (eg above a ceiling), then go for the banding. I've used it with no qualms. A woodscrew buried 1 1/2 to 2" into a joist is not going to collapse prematurely.


    if it's a 'bunch' of T&E's, the band is the way to go. Good fixing into stuff that's not going to melt. (check what kind of wall plugs you're using if 'upside down' ... a normal rawlplug with a 2" screw won't fall out even in a fire if on a vertical wall, but if hanging from a concrete ceiling, more thought needs to be taken)


    Don't forget to take into account the grouping factors!


    I suspect those buckle clips AND the thorsman type will drop in price as awareness spreads (hope?)

  • I wonder if Gas Safe have introduced similar constraints for plastic clips used with either plastic or copper pipe runs?




    Well the relevant standards in the UK do not permit plastic pipes in fixed indoor gas  work, only underground.  (hoses for free standing appliances tend to be  butyl  or nitryl rubber, which will combust at high temperatures)

    While metal clips for gas pipes sound like a good idea, while we allow soft soldered joints indeed prefer them over compression fittings, there is a problem at well below wall ignition temperature, as the solder at the joints melts at about 230C.

    Actually in some parts of the world with more gaswork than the two or three appliances per house common in the UK,  hard solder (more like brazing temperatures of 600C or so ) is required for domestic pipework, and soft solder has gone the way of the old lead pipe and is no longer permitted.


    In practice however, the accident rates are comparable, falling gas pipes are rare,  perhaps partly because there are far fewer gas pipes clipped to ceilings than there are cables.


  • In the context of the thread Mike, I was thinking more along the lines of rigid copper pipework presenting the same physical hazard as a cable would to firemen attempting access where the melting clips would allow the pipework to fall and present a dangerous obstacle/trip hazard for example.

    There is also the problem that fallen half-melted lengths of plastic pipes present in the same way as plastic trunking?
  • If above a ceiling (domestic) just use an offcut of cable and a couple of decent  nails and make a cradle if you have a long run where they could possibly droop and drop. Obviously short runs that pass through joists can't drop anyway as they are supported as they pass through the timbers. 



    Gary