Premise: As far as I I know the term " Scientist" in not protected by law all over the world ( it is like " Engineer" in UK) so it my be used by anyone independently by his/her education level and orientation.
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Luciano Bacco:
Dear CEng Moshe,
Not in all Countries Licensure or similar restrictions give a guarantee of a immediate sound PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE. For example here in Italy, where the term "Ingegnere" ( Engineer) is restricted only to the ones that have either a three-year or a five-year or both) University degree in Engineering Science and they are called here " Dottori in Ingegneria" (Doctors of Engineering) and they become " Ingegneri" (Professional Engineers) only after sitting and successfully passing the prescribed PURELY THEORETICAL STATE EXAMINATION in their own branch of specialization-no additional requirement of a period of practical training and experience is called for them!
On the other hand for lower professional qualifications such as " Geometra" (Surveyor) and Perito Industriale ( industrial Expert) a two year-period of practical training is also required!
In synthesis: For the State granting title of Dottore Ingegnere (Dott Ing), that is, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER (!...) a University degree + State Theoretical Examination-practical training and experience no needed!... In other words these last counts nothing!
And not to neglect, Italian engineers consider themselves, perhaps presumtuously, the best of the world!,,,
Benyamin Davodian:
Thank you so much my dear friend Luciao,
I agree with you on every word and it just reinforces me that I was right in my writing earlier in the forum.
An engineer who does not know how to decode mathematical formulas or interpret physical science even with his doctorate is worth nothing, because he will meet an engineer who has completed a bachelor's degree and will do research that, based on scientific or mathematical science knowledge, will not understand anything so you and I are on the same line. Well done you are a true frid.
MW _CEng:
Many laboratories have very expansive equipment the same is employers.
I remember a new engineer from a highly ranked university who in his first week at our customer burned a one million USD $ system.
The accreditation and certification bodies are there to provide formal peer review or by other assessments that the professional is competent.
While there is no 100% guaranty yet at least a competent body accredits the professional is up to an established standard.
When I was in the military the new technicians fresh out of training used to initially cause more damage than productivity. So we started in our base a training lab,
the new technicians will have to get additional certification by the resident experts before allowing them into the lab or field. The program proved to save a lot fo $$$$$.
For scientist's formation in addition to education, there is a lot of research and scientist assisting lab work with their classes so by the time they are matriculating they are ready for independent work or to be hired by organizations/Institutes/labs, etc.
If someone achieved CSci designation it provides that extra assurance etc.
Some would say this provides the minimum but well-established standard for top science professionals.
As to exceptional individuals, they are more of an exception than the norm.
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