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Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 16, 2020 8:21 am

https://youtu.be/vPS-epGPJmg
https://futurism.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-fusion-energy
https://thebulletin.org/2017/04/fusion-reactors-not-what-theyre-cracked-up-to-be/
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Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 17, 2020 6:36 am

Luciano Bacco:
More:
https://interestingengineering.com/2019-is-officially-worlds-second-hottest-year-on-record?_source=newsletter&_campaign=aLoo8dB9kLeA9&_uid=YQdJzWvdOG&_h=c5182a5a087e2b004ca4aca7c1e307f54e8a1507&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mailing&utm_campaign=Newsletter-09-01-2020

And:

https://interestingengineering.com/how-a-massive-marine-heatwave-known-as-the-blob-killed-1-million-seabirds-in-the-us?_source=newsletter&_campaign=JeA4872d3aWyN&_uid=YQdJzWvdOG&_h=c5182a5a087e2b004ca4aca7c1e307f54e8a1507&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mailing&utm_campaign=Newsletter-16-01-2020

 
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Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by OMS on Jan 17, 2020 8:42 pm

Luciano Bacco:

Food Airdropped on Bushfire Ravaged Australia to Save Animals from Starvation

Dubbed "Operation Rock Wallaby", helicopters have been unloading hundreds of thousands of vegetables for animals.

 

I wish you hadn't posted that - I've now got a mental image of the poor bloody things get karked by fast moving sweet potatoes hitting them at terminal velocity on the back of the head. I say this only from the point of view of having a mate who used to chuck stuff out of the back of planes and casually mentioning that a number of recipients had expired, having been hit by the load intended to help them. 

OMS
The trap we've fallen into is to believe that a thousand incompetents properly organized can do the job of a few dozen outstanding people

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 17, 2020 11:30 pm

These "collateral casualties " are very little ( some hundreds perhaps thousands) compared with a staggering 1 billion animals tha tare now estimated dead in Australia's fires. The number of kangaroos, koalas, and others killed keeps skyrocketing.
The one used is the only valid to feed them  quickly and so save most of the survivors ( some millions) by sure starvation.

Man! Who really are you?!  I' m the one where the rationality goes hand in hand with the madness, is the answer!...
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 20, 2020 8:24 am

Time to Rethink Building Materials to Combat Future Fire Seasons and a New National Bush fire Recovery Agency Established

https://www.sydneybuildexpo.com/news/time-to-rethink-building-materials-to-combat-future-fire-season?mc_cid=f8b1a47450&mc_eid=7bbec8c0e9#/
https://www.sydneybuildexpo.com/news/new-national-bush-fire-recovery-agency-established?mc_cid=f8b1a47450&mc_eid=7bbec8c0e9#/




 
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Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by OMS on Jan 20, 2020 5:04 pm

Have they thought of Asbestos - good material for fire protection I believe - and they'll have plenty of spare mining capability when they give up mining coal,  that could be quickly redeployed

Ohhh - hang on a sec.................

OMS
The trap we've fallen into is to believe that a thousand incompetents properly organized can do the job of a few dozen outstanding people

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 25, 2020 2:34 pm

Luciano Bacco:
These "collateral casualties " are very little ( some hundreds perhaps thousands) compared with a staggering 1 billion animals tha tare now estimated dead in Australia's fires. The number of kangaroos, koalas, and others killed keeps skyrocketing.
The one used is the only valid to feed them  quickly and so save most of the survivors ( some millions) by sure starvation.

Man! Who really are you?!  I' m the one where the rationality goes hand in hand with the madness, is the answer!...

More: Are 100 animal species at risk extinction in Australia?

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-scientists-rare-species-survivors-australia.html
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/1/9/21057375/australia-fire-wildlife-extinctions-ecology
 

 
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Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 29, 2020 6:55 am

Luciano Bacco:

European Green Deal: Brussels unveils €1 trillion plan to make EU carbon neutral by 2050

https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/14/eu-commission-to-unveil-green-deal-to-make-europe-the-first-climate-neutral-continent
https://www.euronews.com/2019/12/10/the-eu-s-green-dreams
https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.casaeclima.com%2Fjpeg-fb.asp%3Fpath%3D%252Fpublic%252Fcasaeclima%252F1%255Fa%255Fb%255Fa%252Dgreen%252Ddeal%252Deuropeo%252Dmoney%252Ejpg%26size%3D200&t=1579106910&ymreqid=9a04b761-2c39-23f2-1c41-550000014200&sig=7jdF8bVSTwo7mwzWIUtr9g--~C,
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Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Roger Bryant on Jan 29, 2020 8:32 am

 

Luciano Bacco:
           I'm personally fully in favour of climate change fighting, instead!
 

Which climate change are you in favour of fighting, the real one or the hype promoted by XR, Attenborough, Thunberg et al?

Try looking at the real data and judge for yourself what is actually happening and what is based on unvalidated computer models. Try looking at history to see what happened in the past, when did glaciers advance and when did they retreat, how often does Australia burn, how quickly does it recover.

This was a quick review of the Greenland ice caps taken from the official website, three different outlooks, which one is real?

https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/807/24813?post_id=125816#p125816

This was an attempt to gather the best actual data I could find to judge is there an emergency or maybe just a problem.

https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/807/24813?post_id=126994#p126994

Is the world really burning up? Have we already passed a tipping point?
We certainly need to reduce our impact on the planet and minimise our consumption of finite resources however panic building of low EROEI (Energy return on Energy Invested) 'renewable' energy sources is not the solution.
I await the IPCC AR6 in 2021/22 to see how they deal with reality.

Best regards

Roger
 

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 29, 2020 9:57 am

I quote your last words:  " We do need to check every "fact" presented by everyone, particularly pressure groups and the media very careful" And here I'm quite in agreement with you!
But said this, if you are quite right, all EC Countries ( and not only them) are then fragrantly WRONG?! In other words, the EC countries are going to throw to the wind
1,000,000,000,000 euros?!
More, there is now no doubt that almost the whole world (UK included) is going along this direction, that is, a strong contrast to the climate change!
Sceptical people are always welcome not only on this all-importatnt matter but also in any other walks of life!
More:
https://www.inverse.com/innovation/amazon-employees-risk-firing-to-protest-companys-climate-policies
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 29, 2020 10:48 am

But also:
Electric Revolution will take time, states an IMechE latest report.

To decarbonise road transport rapidly, more needs to be done to reduce emissions from petrol and diesel vehicles

This includes using renewable and low carbon fuels

Read our new report

LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Roger Bryant on Jan 29, 2020 11:44 am

Luciano Bacco:

 
I quote your last words:  " We do need to check every "fact" presented by everyone, particularly pressure groups and the media very careful" And here I'm quite in agreement with you!
But said this, if you are quite right, all EC Countries ( and not only them) are then fragrantly WRONG?! In other words, the EC countries are going to throw to the wind
1,000,000,000,000 euros?!
More, there is now no doubt that almost the whole world (UK included) is going along this direction, that is, a strong contrast to the climate change!
Sceptical people are always welcome not only on this all-importatnt matter but also in any other walks of life!
More:
https://www.inverse.com/innovation/amazon-employees-risk-firing-to-protest-companys-climate-policies

 

You need to follow the money in this one. Is the money actually being spent or is it just pledged at a climate conference? Where will it actually go? Will it mostly be spent installing heavily subsidised 'renewable' generation? Will it be spent on mitigation? Who will actually profit from this? Will there be any real benefit? Germany has probably invested the most per capita on 'renewables'. It has the highest electricity prices in Europe and it's emissions aren't dropping much.

I suggest that you look at a range of sources/views:-

Judith Curry offer a balanced scientific view point as she is well qualified to do:
https://judithcurry.com/
Skeptical Science supports the strong AGW camp:
https://skepticalscience.com/
Jo Nova looks mostly at Australia and so is appropriate to this thread:
http://joannenova.com.au/
Not a lot of people know that is UK based:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/
No Tricks Zone is more German/European:
https://notrickszone.com/

As ever don't take them at face value, follow the sources, compare their views on different subjects, try to find collaboration elsewhere.
Best regards
Roger
 

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 29, 2020 1:10 pm

Your objections are much appreciated but i cannot, for a series of reasons, give a valid answer for each of these, the only further thing I can add in support of my " Thesis" is that all the UK Engineering Institutions ( even the RIBA!... ) accept as a fact the Climate Change alert and are all working along this direction, starting with this:
https://www.istructe.org/resources/blog/decarbonate/
https://www.architecture.com/about/policy/climate-action/2030-climate-challenge

Is it possible that all these highly learned people be so naive to not understand that the climate change alert is all a "deceit" (or partially such) ?!...
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Roger Bryant on Jan 30, 2020 7:56 am

This is more a cynical response than a skeptical response.

If you compare the amount of talk to the amount of action I don't think many, if any, of the 'stop climate change' proponents really believe in what they are saying. The high profile ones still fly around the world and buy beach houses. Governments and Councils declare 'Climate Emergencies' but don't actually do anything. They all say we must be 'Carbon Neutral' (whatever that actually means) by 2030 or 2050 or some when. Where is the real work behind this? Where are the feasibility studies? Where are the action plans with dates and costs? The technical and scientific institutes produce 'position statements' but don't come up with anything more. The paper from the I Mech E that you linked in a previous posting just says 'it's difficult'.

I think that once you study what is the problem and what are the solutions you realise that 'Carbon Neutral' by 2050 is not possible and also not necessary. Reducing our consumption of fossil fuels by 2100 is sensible and feasible.
Who in the current media climate is going to stand up a say that? Ms Thunberg will send them off for forced labour in the battery factory (to quote OMS 🙂 ).

For my views on why all this is happening have a look at the 1984 thread:
https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/807/24015

Best regards

Roger

P.S. When I spell checked this it tried to change Thunberg to Thinker, maybe not.

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Simon Barker on Jan 30, 2020 8:32 am

Roger Bryant:
This is more a cynical response than a skeptical response.

If you compare the amount of talk to the amount of action I don't think many, if any, of the 'stop climate change' proponents really believe in what they are saying. The high profile ones still fly around the world and buy beach houses. Governments and Councils declare 'Climate Emergencies' but don't actually do anything. They all say we must be 'Carbon Neutral' (whatever that actually means) by 2030 or 2050 or some when. Where is the real work behind this? Where are the feasibility studies? Where are the action plans with dates and costs? The technical and scientific institutes produce 'position statements' but don't come up with anything more. The paper from the I Mech E that you linked in a previous posting just says 'it's difficult'.

I think that once you study what is the problem and what are the solutions you realise that 'Carbon Neutral' by 2050 is not possible and also not necessary. Reducing our consumption of fossil fuels by 2100 is sensible and feasible.
Who in the current media climate is going to stand up a say that? Ms Thunberg will send them off for forced labour in the battery factory (to quote OMS 🙂 ).

For my views on why all this is happening have a look at the 1984 thread:
https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/807/24015

Best regards

Roger

P.S. When I spell checked this it tried to change Thunberg to Thinker, maybe not.

 
Everything is "too difficult" for someone who doesn't want to do it.  I don't believe that carbon neutral by 2030 is realistically possible.  2050 should be. 2100 is too late, and is basically saying "don't bother doing anything until I'm long dead".

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 30, 2020 9:24 am

Simon Barker:

Roger Bryant:
This is more a cynical response than a skeptical response.

If you compare the amount of talk to the amount of action I don't think many, if any, of the 'stop climate change' proponents really believe in what they are saying. The high profile ones still fly around the world and buy beach houses. Governments and Councils declare 'Climate Emergencies' but don't actually do anything. They all say we must be 'Carbon Neutral' (whatever that actually means) by 2030 or 2050 or some when. Where is the real work behind this? Where are the feasibility studies? Where are the action plans with dates and costs? The technical and scientific institutes produce 'position statements' but don't come up with anything more. The paper from the I Mech E that you linked in a previous posting just says 'it's difficult'.

I think that once you study what is the problem and what are the solutions you realise that 'Carbon Neutral' by 2050 is not possible and also not necessary. Reducing our consumption of fossil fuels by 2100 is sensible and feasible.
Who in the current media climate is going to stand up a say that? Ms Thunberg will send them off for forced labour in the battery factory (to quote OMS 🙂 ).

For my views on why all this is happening have a look at the 1984 thread:
https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/807/24015

Best regards

Roger

P.S. When I spell checked this it tried to change Thunberg to Thinker, maybe not.

 
Everything is "too difficult" for someone who doesn't want to do it.  I don't believe that carbon neutral by 2030 is realistically possible.  2050 should be. 2100 is too late, and is basically saying "don't bother doing anything until I'm long dead".

Dear Roger,

Did you know that...:
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/30/763844598/how-big-oil-of-the-past-helped-launch-the-solar-industry-of-today?t=1580374156158
I myself as an Electrical and Electronics Engineer, started on those years ( 1970s) to design and build some solar energy devices but some years later I abandoned this route because of the then very low efficiency (4%) and very high prices of solar cells compared with the today's ones:
https://www.solar.com/learn/solar-panel-efficiency/
And here is George Orwell  1984. Have a good reading ( for everyone):

https://www.planetebook.com/free-ebooks/1984.pdf
 

 

 
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Roger Bryant on Jan 30, 2020 12:23 pm

Simon Barker:

Everything is "too difficult" for someone who doesn't want to do it.  I don't believe that carbon neutral by 2030 is realistically possible.  2050 should be. 2100 is too late, and is basically saying "don't bother doing anything until I'm long dead".

 

This is Greenpeace's take on the current plans for China:
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/
None of the scenarios are going to get you to 'Carbon Neutral' by 2050 unless you can manage a lot of offsetting even though China is the current leader in installing wind, solar and nuclear capacity. We do need to start working now but without sensible planning the situation will get worse. Unless you only build renewables with renewable energy (bootstrap principle) emissions will increase during the building phase rather than decrease. This is an older article but the principle of 'Energy Cannibalism' still holds true:
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2015-05-11/how-sustainable-is-pv-solar-power/

The UK government including ex environment minister Gove obviously believe what they are preaching:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51303304
Off to the battery factory with them.

Best regards

Roger

 

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 30, 2020 2:14 pm

I think that, notwithstanding all the huge difficulties to implement a Clean Energy World within 2050, at least the 70% target will be reached, sufficient to save the whole world by an appalling environmental catastrophe!
In this transition period new technologies a science discoveries will surely be of substantial support to reach such a target, The frightful warning is that many scientists are pointing out that we have no more than 11 years before us to rebalance our highly damaged Earth Habitat, failing that, this world-wide damage shall become irreversible so the final catastrophe shall be inevitable!
https://www.un.org/press/en/2019/ga12131.doc.htm
https://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/12/countries-yet-ratify-paris-agreement/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/energy/reference/renewable-energy/
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/6/18/18681591/renewable-energy-china-solar-pv-jobs
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by OMS on Feb 5, 2020 11:41 am

Roger Bryant:
Who in the current media climate is going to stand up a say that? Ms Thunberg will send them off for forced labour in the battery factory (to quote OMS 🙂 ).
 

 
You're beyond re education in Battery Plant No 3, Roger - it's straight to the cobalt mine for you

Regards

OMS 
The trap we've fallen into is to believe that a thousand incompetents properly organized can do the job of a few dozen outstanding people

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Roger Bryant on Feb 6, 2020 11:30 am

An interesting piece from Roger Harrabin admitting that Carbon Neutral by 2050 is difficult. Not his normal position.

'Climate change: Clean tech 'won't solve warming in time''

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51389404

Best regards

Roger
 

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Feb 6, 2020 11:57 am

At First:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/terrified-about-global-warming-finally-heres-some-good-news-2020-01-30
In Uk renewables could be integrated by what is following:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51233444
And why not?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/05/nuclear-fusion-could-solve-the-world-s-energy-problems-and-scientists-just-got-closer-to-making-it-work/

 
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Feb 21, 2020 3:25 pm

Australia: Most Australians now agree that the country is facing a climate emergency

https://climateemergencydeclaration.org/the-australia-institute-poll-climate-emergency/
 
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by davezawadi on Feb 21, 2020 6:51 pm

If you really believe that CO2 is bad (and I don't) then you should encourage Austraila to take measures to reduce fires. However the environmentalists in Auzi say the this damages the wildlife which then gets burned to death. You see you cannot win with these people who want to destroy our way of life. XR is a totalitarian organisation whose interest in climate is a way to power, beware. They do not claim otherwise, so should be prescripted, but the G is not capable of seeing the danger. Good Luck!
Regards David CEng etc.

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by Simon Barker on Feb 21, 2020 9:22 pm

davezawadi:
If you really believe that CO2 is bad (and I don't) then you should encourage Austraila to take measures to reduce fires. However the environmentalists in Auzi say the this damages the wildlife which then gets burned to death. You see you cannot win with these people who want to destroy our way of life. XR is a totalitarian organisation whose interest in climate is a way to power, beware. They do not claim otherwise, so should be prescripted, but the G is not capable of seeing the danger. Good Luck!

 
The thing is, the people who want to change things are not interested in your way of life.  You can whinge and moan as much as you like, but as far as they are concerned, it's your way of life that is causing the problem.

Re: Australian Wildfires

Posted by davezawadi on Feb 22, 2020 9:16 am

That Simon is entirely the way that democracy is destroyed. One group think they know better, but they are not prepared to accept that others do not agree with them, and therefore the others must be FORCED to follow their wishes! Let us put this nonsense to a vote, having placed all the facts on the table. Look at the EU, similar mindset. Britain leaves and they demand that we still behave as if they are in charge of everything, otherwise they will not have a trade deal! Ok, BMW and Mercedes will loose an awful lot of workers because the UK is one of their biggest markets, and the resulting import tariff will kill their sales dead! The same with France, they expect the rest of Europe to pay so that they can have sky high farm subsidies. They are not going to, and there is already serious unrest (although not reported by the BBC) and Macron does not know what to do next, so he attacks Britain for his troubles. The EU is and always has been a totalitarian POLITICAL project, run by unelected elites who think they know better, but dare not go to the ballot box!
Regards David CEng etc.

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