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SNIPF - Ingénieurs Professionnels de France-Vers la reconnaissance d’une « Certification Ingénieur » en Europe.
Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts
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La SNIPF, propose la « Certification Ingénieur » au travers de son organisme de certification (Norme ISO 17024) La SNIPF existe depuis 1936 et son expérience au regard de la « Certification Ingénieur » est indiscutable.
La validation des compétences acquises tout au long de la vie professionnelle d’un individu est inéluctable. La certification est l’outil qui permet cette reconnaissance.

https://www.snipf.org/evenements/evenement/163-reunion-pleniere-au-siege-du-cni-a-rome
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Moshe W 1100289692
Joined 14/04/2013 - 506 Posts
TU Delft is really good university.
Boasting strategic partnerships with industry, governments, trade associations, and numerous universities in the Netherlands and worldwide, teaching at TU Delft is focused around providing students with technological training, analytical skills and critical thinking in world-class facilities.
I took some classes there by DL. Also good source of CPD to maintain my CEng registration with EC UK.

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Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts
 Holland is divided into 12 provinces that do not have legislative autonomy, the state is unitary and the laws governing professions are not derogated from individual provinces. As far as the professions are concerned, the engineers are not included among the regulated ones,therefore there is no authorized regulating body neither at the national level nor at the regional level that regulates the profession of engineer and its exercise.
THE PROFESSION OF ENGINEER IN HOLLAND.
Holland represents a particular case as regards both the exercise of the engineering profession.In Holland,in fact,the profession of engineer is not regulated and the title of engineer is not protected.
RECOGNITION OF PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS GENERAL RULES.
The exercise of the profession is free and the citizens of the European Union who intend to work in the Netherlands as engineers can do so without any kind of restriction and without their academic qualification having to be recognized.It may happen that the employer,the public body or the company for which you intend to collaborate may ask for evidence of the degree certificate obtained abroad, but this occurs in a completely discretionary way and there is no national law that obliges workers from European Union to proceed with the recognition of its title. In Holland there is a professional institute of engineers (KIVI - Het Koninklijk Instituut Van Ingenieurs) which, however, does not carry out any order or regulatory function of the profession. Membership in the Institute is completely optional. The Institute of Engineers mostly plays a role of liaison and direction of professionals in their careers. For this reason can be an important point of reference for engineers who intend to work in the Netherlands for all information relating to the labor market and recent technological innovations in the engineering field. The Institute also provides for a voluntary certification which is accompanied by a structured professional development plan for certified engineers. The certification is voluntary but it is certainly useful for the professional growth of the engineer in the Netherlands..
Source:CNI (Italian Engineering Council)
https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/images/esteri/esteri_OLANDA.pdf
On the light of what exposed above,one thing is certain:they appear to be like a " clone" of the British way of creating professional engineers!... This means also that the British model is considered a valid one!
 
Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts
Already fully understood! " ???!!!" was instead intended " Why (three times!..) they grant Professional Titles that are legally protected by the UK Engineering Council that are CEng and IEng! In any  cases they should also indicate the Country of origin, example: Mr XY, CEng (NL) and IEng (NL) respectively, in order to avoid confusion with the original British legally protected ones!
Moshe W 1100289692
Joined 14/04/2013 - 506 Posts
Het Koninklijk Instituut Van Ingenieurs (KIVI) is de beroepsvereniging van ingenieurs in Nederland. Alle ingenieursdisciplines zijn vertegenwoordigd binnen KIVI.

The Royal Institute of Engineers (KIVI) is the professional association of engineers in the Netherlands.
All engineering disciplines are represented within KIVI. 
A group of more than 20,000 highly-skilled engineers from various fields, at various career levels. KIVI offers the largest platform of fellow engineers in the Netherlands. Colleagues that you can consult directly online via the digital membership book. KIVI members who can act as sparring partners, coaches or as a source of information.

They have criteria for registration. From what I see 100 registered engineers are currently listed in their register.


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Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts

The “French engineer”

One pecularity of France is the system of “Grandes Ecoles”, which is quite unique.

In most countries, engineering degrees are provided by universities, within the ordinary university system. In France, all the main ministries (industry, transport, telecommunications…) maintain and fund their own specific engineering schools, so-called “Grandes Ecoles”, apart from the ministry of higher education which runs the universities. These engineering schools are meant to form the elite which will later become the higher executives of the ministries, and of public enterprises. There is even the ENA (Ecole Nationale d’Administration) which is meant to form the next generation of higher public servants and politicians (our current president, Emmanuel Macron, is a former ENA student).

The “Grandes Ecoles” receive a much higher funding per student capita that the universities receive. As a consequence, all the brightest students after high school are attracted to these “grandes écoles”, instead of going to the university, which is considered a second choice. Grandes Ecoles are selective, contrarily to universities which are obliged by law to accommodate any high school student who succeeds at the “Baccalauréat” (more than 88% do). Students usually have to take two years of preparatory training before applying to the entrance examination of Grandes Ecoles. Training in Grandes Ecoles is much more demanding than in universities, especially during the two preparatory years, where training, especially in mathematics, is quite intense.

Students who have gone through the preparatory years, and later have integrated universities in the USA or elsewhere.  usually find the teaching level to be much less demanding than what they where trained to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipl%C3%B4me_d%27Ing%C3%A9nieur
Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts
Yes! Many Italian Peritoes (Industrial Experts) and Surveyors were ( and are even now ) accepted in the SNIPF Ranks- some of them were also Members / Fellows of the " dead" SPE(UK).

Like this,for example:

"Professional Engineer PEng(UK), SPE of Guinea Wiggs, Regno Unito n. A10824 dal 2016

Ingènieur IPF, SNIPF Societè Nationale Ingènieurs, Francia n. 26254 dal 2016

MI, IESF Société des Ingènieurs et Scientifiques Francia, membre n.U11-1043 dal 2016

Industrial Engineer, Commissione Europea, Direttiva 2005/36/CE"

Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts
But what do you think about this move?!
https://twitter.com/SNIPFofficiel/status/1136006939056492544
 
Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts
You are quite right!
Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts

Moshe Waserman CEng:
I remember the now-closed SPE UK used to publish their reciprocal agreement with SNIPF.

Here is a translation:


The SNIPF offers the "Engineer Certification" through its certification body (ISO 17024 standard) The SNIPF has existed since 1936 and its experience with regard to the "Engineer Certification" is indisputable. 
Validation of skills acquired throughout an individual's professional life is inevitable. Certification is the tool that allows this recognition. 

Luciano Bacco 81378053
Joined 12/10/2004 - 789 Posts
Not in this Country (ITALY) where you are not allowed to call you as an "Ingegnere" ( Engineer) without a recognized academic degree and also have successfully passed the prescribed purely theoretical State Examination: Practical Experience counts nothing in this context!...
So I was quite surprised in finding in this "venture" also the Italian CNI ( Consiglio Nazionale Ingegneri-The Italian Engineering Council). So I firmly think that in the short term everything will conclude as nothing was done! CNI docet!...

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