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UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

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UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 25, 2019 1:54 pm

At a certain point one wonders: " why important Engineering (and Science) UK Organizations such as The Society of Petroleum Engineers(SPE), The Institute of Motor Industry (IMI), The Royal Society of Chemistry(RSC), to name but a few, prefer staying out from the EC "umbrella" ?
https://www.spe.org/en/
https://www.theimi.org.uk/membership
https://www.rsc.org/careers/cpd/practising-scientists/chartered-status/


 
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 25, 2019 3:45 pm


IMI and RSC are nonengineering societies.  SPE is US-based.

SPE is a US Texas (Oil State)-headquartered society they are international and offer their own certification plus preparation to the US Licensure as a PE.
In the USA for the certifications, such as offered by SPE or PMI, etc passing a written examination is usually a requirement with relevant years of experience.

IMI - is the UK, EU independent nonengineering institute, while the motor industry has overlap with engineering they also do sales, management, and nonengineering activities, they are not registering engineers so there is no need for EC licensing. They do offer professional register for their members as Motor Industry professionals, just like BCS offers Chartered IT Professional registration or FEDIP http://fedip.org/ Informatics Professional or Chartered Manager CMI or Chartered Scientists with their own Science Council.

RSC - focused on chemical sciences rather than engineering. The members of RSC can gain a Chartered Chemist (CChem), Chartered Scientist (CSci), Chartered Environmentalist (CEnv) or Chartered Manager (CMgr) status.
But their focus is on Chemist and not Chemical Engineer. So there is no need for licensing by the Engineering Council.  They are a nonengineering society.


 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 25, 2019 4:35 pm

Thank you for your clarification, CEng Waserman

Sorry for my"lapsus" with the USA SPE, but I have to point out about IBI and RSC what is following:
As far as I remember the former ( IMI ) entered under the EC umbrella more than 20 years ago but it wiithdrew almost immediately from the EC  Professional Engineering Institutions agglomerate, the latter (RSC) is on the same position of the Institute of Physics ( IoP ) that became a Licensed  Professional Engineering Institute (!?), instead!
  http://www.iop.org/
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 26, 2019 4:42 am

Luciano Bacco:
Thank you for your clarification, CEng Waserman

Sorry for my"lapsus" with the USA SPE, but I have to point out about IBI and RSC what is following:
As far as I remember the former ( IMI ) entered under the EC umbrella more than 20 years ago but it wiithdrew almost immediately from the EC  Professional Engineering Institutions agglomerate, the latter (RSC) is on the same position of the Institute of Physics ( IoP ) that became a Licensed  Professional Engineering Institute (!?), instead!
  http://www.iop.org/

Mr. Bacco thank you for the additional information.  As in the past, it appears we used to be members of SPE PEng and with the Institute of Engineers and Technicians and have experienced early formations of Council of the Engineering Institutions - (the early version of the EC UK), etc.

I think there are some smaller societies in the UK that are not licensed by the EC UK but affiliate, some have agreement with EC UK they seem to provide specialty membership and for members that want to register with EC UK, they have an agreement with IET who will do the assessment and register the Engineer with EC.

Happy New Year !!!
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 26, 2019 9:42 am

Yes!  We know this information because we lived this experience in the first person ( I became a full Member of the Institute of Engineers and Technicians on 1979, after becoming before an Associate Member on 1975!...  ( https://p13.zdusercontent.com/attachment/466053/1w6RxUDbcqwulcBxtpFuAgVXk?token=eyJhbGciOiJkaXIiLCJlbmMiOiJBMTI4Q0JDLUhTMjU2In0..6LLv-lzjA9J-JJWQ7AvI8w.9wCjF4Pcoah-ypQaqq64Gu6LnZbQkutyBMMbkDb_oFYCWR8HV7Et6VYvUcZ_5fPpkvI6mQub7clzH1n15An7Z-QfVXWuG0RrTFeVbaq9OtWkeJB8Aw2sppRegk_FCy_mQJIBJ59j477nltYZOyiLeVAfhufMeX7NWKpHz3Wqm7A_l2Siyxc1dcYvn9pEXmhYJtFEWzhqMgPVUJTs2M4ZalfzMKkPauRy4m9AU0bYzK-L65C-Kw2i7XjaduxTrbjs6Fz6UxTnpOc5vpoWiXs_Vg.J0wuJ_FvtnrAdxnFK270nw ). But it is history now!  We are now called  the "grandfathers " of the Engineering profession! I' m already a retired one since some years: I'm now  a "guy"  71 years old!
Very many thanks for your season greetings that I reciprocate, not only to you but also to all  the forums active participants and readers!

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LUCIANO BACCO

Re: UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 26, 2019 9:16 pm

Mr. Bacco:

Did the old IET register you as a TEng? I remember corporate members got to register as EngTech and TEng, AMIE was able to register as EngTech.  This was in 1984 when I joined the old IET.



 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: UK Engineering Organizatiions standing out of the EC "umbrella".

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 27, 2019 7:33 am

I remained only a MIET and this because any registrations with the EC was of no practical utility to me here in Italy. Now I'm 71 years old  and retired so these things are a simple matter of indifference to me!
LUCIANO BACCO

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