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Bryan O'Neill 70715697
Joined 25/07/2008 - 6 Posts
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Kathryn Bain 97869023
Joined 09/01/2007 - 355 Posts
Thanks for your information and links, Deon.  I will look into this and reach out if I have any further questions.

Kind Regards,

Kathryn Bain
Deon Rowley 97194194
Joined 15/10/2014 - 2 Posts
Hi Kathryn,

I agree that the IET as a PEI could provide a Mentoring Program to assist recent graduates with their career development by connecting them with a 'Senior Engineer' in the form of a Mentor.

Other PEI's such as Engineers Australia run similar programs to this which are popular and well received by both the Mentors and Mentee's. These relationships often lead to applications for Professional Registration as you elude.

Perhaps there are some things here which we could adopt for our members too.

I am also a volunteer for EA and assist with some of our graduate training programs, so I am more than happy am happy to discuss with you off line if you like.

deon.rowley@ietvolunteer.org

Please find the link to the Engineers Australia Mentorship Program here:

https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/event/2019/03/engineers-australia-mentoring-programme

The link was for the 2019-2020 program and a similar one is due to be launched shortly for this year (Covid-19 pending)

The link also includes a flyer containing more details:
https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/events-attachments/Flyer%20Engineers%20Australia%20Mentoring%20Program%202019-v2_0.pdf

EA Mentoring Program is about connecting mentors and mentees to share professional insights and experience and provide guidance to aspiring and inspiring young professionals. Customised matches of mentors and mentees will be based on areas of interest and career goals.

In addition to this Mentorship program which is provided free of charge by volunteer members acting as the Mentors to our recent graduate members (and more experienced members too) there is also another service provided by the institution through its subsidiary (not sure if that is the correct term) Engineering Education Australia who provide (chargeable) courses to industry and individuals.

Attendees to these courses are not necessarily members of the PEI, but they are encouraged to join and are provided with training and support relating to soft skills and business related competencies of engineering life and assist with their future journey towards Chartered registration.

A link to the EEA graduate program for reference is :
https://www.eeaust.com.au/programs/graduate-program

Locally in Australia, the IET through our local network committees have a good working relationship with Engineers Australia and arrange regular networking activities and technical lectures through the Joint Institutions Lecture Series, link to some events:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC81XfWLVAhk83p9Zk9VyOVg

The Mutual Recognition Agreement with EA, also allows some degree of alignment between the Professional Registrations options of the two PEI's, where as an example our IET CEng registrants are reciprocated as CPEng (Chartered Professional Engineers) with EA.

There are some differences between 'grades' of registration but essentially revolve around the Dublin, Sydney and Washington accords.

For those interested, the various 'Chartered' grades can be found at:
https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/For-Individuals

For those with a keen eye, you will see that EA allows various grades of membership such as 'Technician' and 'Associate' to also become Chartered (CEngT, CEngA)

That is a discussion for another thread I am sure!

Regards

Deon (Sydney, AU)

IPRA, PRI 
 
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Kathryn Bain 97869023
Joined 09/01/2007 - 355 Posts

Andrew Bower:

Kathryn Bain:
Unfortunately, the Mentoring service is only able to provide a mentor to help with professional registration.

I do wonder if there is a little bit of a missed opportunity here. So far as I can tell engineering businesses are really bad at facilitating mentoring networks: mostly the term seems to be used to mean introducing a recent graduate to the workplace over a few weeks and that's it. Aiming for professional registration is an excellent way for an individual to take control of their own long term career development but there's so much more on the way such as how to form workplace relationships. Consider also that CEng is a 'terminal qualification'. A CEng must take control of their own development plans (indeed, already should have) but may be in just as much need of a mentor to navigate their future: they might value the personal insights of someone with senior management experience or someone who has kept their technical skills sharp up to retirement.

A PEI-run system could be just the solution to matching the wider need for mentoring and could be one way of demonstrating that often-challenged value proposition to members; I am sure there'd be more interest in registration as a byproduct!

 


Andrew,

Thank you for the feedback.  

We do link, where we can, members and former members to MyFoothold who offer Careers Counselling for those in need through things such as redundancy and redeployment and I know that MyFoothold are doing great work at the moment supporting those affected by the impact of Cov-ID 19 and there is information on this at: https://www.myfoothold.org/your-foothold-is-here/support-we-offer/worklife-support/

We also strongly support the CPD of our members through the offerings we have in terms of courses, both online and via e-learning, and also through our Career Manager system.  However there may be a gap in the market as you say, for CPD support and we will take this onboard for future service developments.

If you have any questions in the meantime, please don't hesitate to contact me at: kbain@theiet.org

Kind Regards,

Kathryn Bain
IPD and Mentoring
 
Andrew Bower 11001192479
Joined 04/10/2016 - 3 Posts

Kathryn Bain:
Unfortunately, the Mentoring service is only able to provide a mentor to help with professional registration.

I do wonder if there is a little bit of a missed opportunity here. So far as I can tell engineering businesses are really bad at facilitating mentoring networks: mostly the term seems to be used to mean introducing a recent graduate to the workplace over a few weeks and that's it. Aiming for professional registration is an excellent way for an individual to take control of their own long term career development but there's so much more on the way such as how to form workplace relationships. Consider also that CEng is a 'terminal qualification'. A CEng must take control of their own development plans (indeed, already should have) but may be in just as much need of a mentor to navigate their future: they might value the personal insights of someone with senior management experience or someone who has kept their technical skills sharp up to retirement.

A PEI-run system could be just the solution to matching the wider need for mentoring and could be one way of demonstrating that often-challenged value proposition to members; I am sure there'd be more interest in registration as a byproduct!
Kathryn Bain 97869023
Joined 09/01/2007 - 355 Posts

Mark Curtis:

Kathryn Bain:
Hi Mark,

Unfortunately, the Mentoring service is only able to provide a mentor to help with professional registration.

Regards,

Kathryn

On a side note Kathryn - as an IET mentor, my role as you say is in helping members achieve professional registration but I do find it odd that we are not permitted access to resources such as "IET- Registration and Standards" (reserved for PRAs so I understand).

 

Mark,

There is a separate IET Mentoring community for Mentors who support candidates through the IET Mentoring service - drop the team at: mentoring@theiet.org if you're not already a member and Lucy will check your status and set you up.
Mark Curtis 11001190718
Joined 19/07/2016 - 62 Posts

Kathryn Bain:
Hi Mark,

Unfortunately, the Mentoring service is only able to provide a mentor to help with professional registration.

Regards,

Kathryn

On a side note Kathryn - as an IET mentor, my role as you say is in helping members achieve professional registration but I do find it odd that we are not permitted access to resources such as "IET- Registration and Standards" (reserved for PRAs so I understand).
Kathryn Bain 97869023
Joined 09/01/2007 - 355 Posts
Dear Cheong,

As the IET mentoring service is specific to supporting those through professional registration the mentors for this service must be Professionally Registered, so you would not qualify for this role, however there are other volunteer roles through the IET that would not require professional registration if you want to get involved.  You can find a list of these volunteer roles at: https://www.theiet.org/involved/volunteering-for-the-iet/volunteer-roles/

Regards,

Kathryn

 
Cheong Tsoi 31288902
Joined 07/05/2002 - 317 Posts
Dear Nicky/Kathryn,
I am only an MIET without CEng/IEng. Am I qualified to become an Mentor in IET Mentoring Service? I have over 26 years engineering experience, and with a BEng and an MBA. Thanks.
Cheong Tsoi 31288902
Joined 07/05/2002 - 317 Posts
Dear Mark,
You are well experienced in Royal Air Force. Well done!
But, I can see your current role is only doing for 1 year and 7 months, and frankly speaking, it is rather short for someone starting his career since 1981!
For me, my current role has been doing for over 5 years. My longest job duration was 10 years. I also have a LinkedIn account, and it is starting to attract job agents to read my profile and giving job opportunity to me only recently. My guess is because of my stable career. What's wrong with your current role? Are you not satisfied on the paid or career advancement? If not, why don't you stay for longer and see if opportunity arising from your current job.
Hope it helps!
Andy Millar 33788107
Joined 28/05/2002 - 1668 Posts

Alasdair Anderson:

I suspect that this is what Andy was alluding to.
Yes, I was smiley So, pragmatically, if an IET Mentor can only discuss UKSpec with a mentee then that can still be very useful for someone in this position.  
Mark Dunn I-Eng, MIET, FInstLM, MCGI 11001208842
Joined 12/12/2018 - 3 Posts
Guys, thankyou for taking the time to review my profile and respond with some helpful advice. It really is very appreciated.

Best regards
Mark Dunn
Alasdair Anderson 11001195585
Joined 02/02/2017 - 951 Posts
Roy Bowdler:
I’m rather more ambivalent than Andy about UK-SPEC 
Roy,
I must say a rather side with you there, though with a big BUT....
The contents of UK-Spec are very generic and what employers are looking for is somewhat more specific. However the techniques used to present your experience to show how you meet UK-Spec are very similar to the techniques you would use to show how you have the experience and capabilities that the employer is seeking (and are often the same examples). I suspect that this is what Andy was alluding to.
The question of how we could enable "career advice" is tricky, as I could see the forum being inundated by questions. Maybe we can chat about that in a break during the Registration and Standards workshop next week.
Alasdair
Roy Bowdler 603091
Joined 25/07/2008 - 807 Posts
Mark, I looked at your profile and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with you, or your credentials for a role that potentially uses your attributes. However, I couldn’t pretend to have any more than a reasonable appreciation of your area of work, rather than any in-depth personal experience. Someone with that experience may have a more critical eye.

It seems that unfortunately you have just been out-competed for the roles that you have sought. I don’t know if these have been ideally aligned to your obvious strengths and a forum like this is a public space, so we can’t explore that in detail. It may be that supply currently exceeds demand for the more specialised skills that you have developed? You clearly have a solid capability to manage in a technical or non-technical environment, there are very many employers that highly value an armed services management background.  
Most of us have probably experienced frustration and disappointment at some time and I could draw many analogies between employment, romantic relationships or other aspects of life where chance is a factor. If you are not being interviewed, it may be possible to analyse the reasons and ensure that the aspects of your story that most closely align with the prospective employer’s needs are being emphasised. However, these needs are often opaque and rejection decisions can be made on arbitrary subjective grounds, including ones of dubious legality. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!  On the occasions over the years when I have been successful in getting onto a final interview shortlist, there was nothing in my story that provoked enough of a negative reaction to knock me out of contention, the interview decides whether or not both parties like each other enough. Sometimes they liked me better and sometimes someone else.  

If you emphasise specialism, then you can only compete in that niche market against others with similar experience. This may be a very “small world”, where everyone in it is known to each other. If you look more broadly and emphasise more general organisational skills, then the potential market is much larger and perhaps more open?

I’m rather more ambivalent than Andy about UK-SPEC, taking a holistic view, not just of the three category definitions and divisions, but also the context of how the system is working, its aims and values. It seems to me unlikely that registration category is a relevant factor here, unless another category is being asked for or implicitly expected, which might catch you in the first "administrative" filter. You need if possible to tease out if any such issues exist and not become discouraged or angry about it.

There might be some age discrimination in play? Although technically illegal, it can be almost impossible to prove. It is after all reasonable for an employer to target an age group with objective justification. Requiring a degree, for example tends to disadvantage older people, so unless the requirement is directly relevant to performance in the role, it may be questionable.  There are many other forms of subtle negative stereotyping, which could be applied and magnified, especially where applicant numbers have to be whittled down.       

I hope that by drawing attention to your situation in these forums, somebody knows somebody, who knows somebody who is looking for someone like you and contacts you privately.  

There have been an number of “career advice” questions in the forums recently, which don’t necessarily fit into the standard solutions that we currently provide. If this is something that our members need more of, then perhaps we should consider how we might enable this?

 

 
Barry Brooks 14260649
Joined 09/06/2002 - 86 Posts
Dear Kathryn

Did you see my response about the Mentoring Service in the Volunteer Mentor thread yesterday?

Regards
Barry
Andy Millar 33788107
Joined 28/05/2002 - 1668 Posts
However, it might still be worth contacting a Mentor. The requirements of UKSpec (for prospective CEng in your case) are remarkably smiley similar to the requirements that most employers are looking for in their candidates.

I think most of us would be happy to give an independent view of your experience. With absolutely no promises of course, and we can each only give a personal view of how it fits into any particular industry (rather than UKSpec generally), but it may be helpful - just sitting down with another experienced engineers from outside your field can give a different perspective. But as Kathryn says, do be prepared for the fact the Mentor training is heavily geared around preparation for registration.

https://www.theiet.org/membership/career/mentoring/iservice/applymentor/index.cfm

Good luck,

Andy
Kathryn Bain 97869023
Joined 09/01/2007 - 355 Posts
Hi Mark,

Unfortunately, the Mentoring service is only able to provide a mentor to help with professional registration.

Regards,

Kathryn
Mark Dunn I-Eng, MIET, FInstLM, MCGI 11001208842
Joined 12/12/2018 - 3 Posts
I could do with making use of the mentoring Service.  I dont feel I am making the best use of my IEng and FInstLM status and have started to submit a few job applications over the past few months.  None have got me through to the interview stage which has knocked my confidence a litte.

It would be very helpful to have someone impartial cast their eye over my CV and Linedin page and help me identify where I am going wrong.  

http://linkedin.com/in/mark-dunn-ieng-finstlm-5b3960136
Mark Dunn I-Eng, MIET, FInstLM, MCGI 11001208842
Joined 12/12/2018 - 3 Posts

Nicky Tooley:
Hi Bryan

Thank you for your post about the Mentoring service.

I'm Nicky Tooley, i'm responsible for the voluntary Mentoring service within the IET.

If you have any questions then please do not hesitate in emailing me on the following email address - mentoring@theiet.org

Kind regards

Nicky Tooley

 
sincy 91488072
Joined 25/07/2008 - 11 Posts
Donald,

I will be honest, I do not know how active the mentoring service is, but i do know when i attend the training courses for mentors there is always a resonable attendance. also my company helps with mentors and mantee alike. they try to put them together when possible, and also the IET are usually pretty good in finding you a mentor if you request one.

I am based in Glasgow, and the IET have a base here maybe that helps.

Try contacting the IET and asking them if there are mentors in your area, and what support they can offer. the IET have coordinators running the scheme, and they are the drivers, but it takes the mentor to really want to help to make the scheme work.
Donald Lane 70733525
Joined 29/09/2007 - 28 Posts
Hi sincy,

I am curious, is the mentoring service highly active in your area? If so I assume it has some people driving it, the mentoring service in my area seems to be totally non existent with no interest in providing training or running it.

Kind regards

Donald Lane
sincy 91488072
Joined 25/07/2008 - 11 Posts
Kingficer,

As an IET mentor I would say that the mentoring service supplied by the IET members is really good. We have all been in the same position as you are now, and we have got a good idea of what you need to do to get to where you want to be. Our role is to try and help you get IEng or CEng registration.

JJB is good that you find your mentor has helped you, that's what we are here for after all.
James Ben Brown 1100197148
Joined 21/12/2010 - 46 Posts
Kingficer,

I have an IET mentor at present and the help/guidance/support I have recieved on my route to professional registration has been excellent.

I did have to change the first mentor assigned to me by the IET as their background (armed forces) was completely different to me and I found it difficult to try and draw on his personal experience to help me through my registration. However, after contacting the IET to let them know, I was then assigned a mentor from my hometown who had a very similar background and the help so far has been fantastic.

To give you an idea, I hadn't documented any of my work over the last 5 years so was having to start from scratch. From the point I was assigned a mentor to my actual PRI date was no more than 9 months or so.

Also, the advice from local PRAs is excellent as well.

Thanks,

JBB
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Nicky Tooley 1100146545
Joined 24/08/2009 - 3 Posts
Hi Bryan

Thank you for your post about the Mentoring service.

I'm Nicky Tooley, i'm responsible for the voluntary Mentoring service within the IET.

If you have any questions then please do not hesitate in emailing me on the following email address - mentoring@theiet.org

Kind regards

Nicky Tooley
Bryan O'Neill 70715697
Joined 25/07/2008 - 6 Posts
All,

Has anyone used the IET mentoring service, having previously worked for a largish organisation I had a mentor, with a brief was to provide guidance on professional development and CEng matters but given the pressures of the working environment time for this role was at a premium.

Given that I have recently moved jobs and the company is much smaller, and doesn't provide a mentoring service. I am considering using the IET Mentoring service, does anyone have any experience as a mentee, is it worthwhile.

http://www.theiet.org/careers/mentoring/iservice/

Thanks in advance

Bryan

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