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What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 26, 2019 10:22 am

Premise: As far as I I know the term " Scientist" in not protected by law all over the world ( it is like " Engineer" in UK) so it my be used by anyone independently by his/her education level and orientation.
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LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 29, 2019 8:02 am


Just like the term Architect got blurry/extended with the time, the same is with Scientists. We have Enterprise Architects and Data Scientists who are not the classical Architect or Scientists by definition.
For the Engineers registered with the EC its the UK SPEC that defines the standard and framework for the registration as an Engineer.
We learn in different settings, from the library, at work, at universities and schools. Recognition of work-based learning with a combination of training and education all contribute to the formation of an Engineer.

Some countries by law one can't call themselves an Engineer unless they are registered, and to be registered a recognized accredited Bachelors's degree required.
Same with scientists, some countries its top of the educated persons who hold Ph.D. and /or Dr. degrees and involved with Science. 
 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 27, 2019 1:20 pm

As I far as I know a really competent scientist ( that is a Researcher ) should be qualified at least at the PhD Standard!...
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 27, 2019 10:58 pm

In the UK there is a Science Council.  https://sciencecouncil.org/

"The Science Council provides a quality assurance system for those working in science. We set the standards for professional registration for practising scientists and science technicians across all scientific disciplines. Through our Licensed Bodies we admit to our registers scientists and science technicians who meet our competence and conduct requirements and commit to Continuing Professional Development. Those scientists who reach the required standards are recognised by the following designations CSci, CSciTeach, RSci and RSciTech."


A scientist can be at different levels just like an Engineer and as it is accustomed in the UK the top designation is usually Chartredahip.
The Science Council has 4 levels of registration:
In the same way as Engineering Council the Science Council license bodies that can register Scientists with the Science Council.

Registered Science Technician (RSciTech)

Registered Science Technicians work with minimal supervision in technical roles, delivering essential scientific services and support within laboratories, schools and universities, hospitals and in many other workplaces.

Registered Scientist (RSci)

Registered Scientists can be found in a huge variety of scientific and higher technical roles. They apply their skills and knowledge whilst working autonomously and have the ability to resolve problems and identify, review and select appropriate techniques, procedures and methods.

Chartered Scientist (CSci)

Chartered Scientists represent the best professional scientists working in the UK and abroad. They demonstrate effective leadership, using their specialist knowledge and broader scientific understanding to develop and improve the application of science and technology by scoping, planning and managing multifaceted projects.

Chartership as a scientist reflects the wide variety of sciences and their practice, recognising high levels of skill and experience, independent of discipline.

Chartered Science Teacher (CSciTeach)

Chartered Science Teachers combine the scientific knowledge and understanding with the skills and expertise required by individuals involved in the practice and advancement of science teaching and learning.
 

The European Union (EU) has made provisions for the recognition of professional qualifications (a combination of academic qualifications and professional training and experience) to enable movement of workforce between Member States.

Since 2007, Chartered Scientist (CSci) has been accepted for the purposes of the directive as a regulated profession, with the Science Council appointed as the Competent Authority.

The directive 2005/36/EC, which came into effect on 20 October 2007, applies to all Member State nationals wishing to practice a regulated profession in a Member State other than the one in which they obtained their professional qualifications. The Directive works on the basic principle that an individual fully qualified to practice a regulated profession in one member state should be treated, in principle, as qualified to practice that same profession in another Member State.

Following the EU referendum result on 24 June 2016, there is currently no change to the status of CSci in Europe. Our focus will be to ensure that professional recognition of scientists remains transferable across Europe and the world.

Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 28, 2019 6:35 am

In this country, Italy, a Scientist, to be accepted and recognized as such, must, hold a Research Doctorate, that is a level 8 (PhD) Qualification. The ones holding lower qualifications are not accepted as scientists but they may perform some research as well.
So in the Anglo-Saxon world:
https://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Scientist
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 28, 2019 8:11 am

In a similar way in this country to be considered a worthy  qualified)  "Environmentalist"  you must at least hold a first degree either in environmental science or  environmental engineering (or both ). Lower qualifications ( in particular way the ones, strictly speaking, outside the environmental world, such as, for example " Geometra" ( Surveyor) and similar technical ones, are not taken in account ( considered)!
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Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 28, 2019 9:36 am

In the US we have degrees in Environmental Science and also in Environmental Engineering.

Environmental engineers work in a variety of settings because of the nature of the tasks they do. When they are working with other engineers and urban and regional planners, environmental engineers are likely to be in offices. When they are carrying out solutions through construction projects, they are likely to be at construction sites.
Environmental engineers must have a bachelor’s degree in environmental engineering or a related field, such as civil, chemical, or general engineering. Employers also value practical experience. Therefore, cooperative engineering programs, which provide college credit for structured job experience, are valuable as well.

My nephew who graduated with a bachelor's degree from USC in Environmental Sciences actually started in the environmental engineering program but later made a change. 
Even though it appears that "environmental scientists" have more jobs that "environmental engineers", getting an Environmental Engineering degree may be preferred over an environmental science degree. The coursework is far more challenging for the EnvE degree. Some say you can probably get a job as an environmental scientist with an environmental engineering degree (as well as a job as an environmental engineer, obviously). This probably can't go the other way around. Someone with an environmental science degree probably may take extra courses or wouldn't have the skills to be an environmental engineer.  There is a good chance one will have more job prospects with an EnvE degree.
 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 28, 2019 10:27 am

OK! I would agree with you! But to become a UK Chartered Environmentalist ( not not be confused with Chartered Environmental Engineer or with the Chartered Engineer status-in fact the two qualifications are NOT interchangeable.) not necessarily you must hold a degree, in fact many non-graduate Italian Surveyors and Industrial Peritoes (Industrial Experts), independently from their specialization, have obtained the Uk CEnv Status without having any degrees or a recognized equivalent qualifications!.... More, they were also accepted as Full Members of the UK Society of Environmental Engineers (SEE) recently dissolved!
https://professionalengineeringukandothertopics.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/important-information-after-the-speuk-the-uk-see-society-of-environmental-engineers-dissolved/
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 29, 2019 9:07 am

MW _CEng:

Just like the term Architect got blurry/extended with the time, the same is with Scientists. We have Enterprise Architects and Data Scientists who are not the classical Architect or Scientists by definition.
For the Engineers registered with the EC its the UK SPEC that defines the standard and framework for the registration as an Engineer.
We learn in different settings, from the library, at work, at universities and schools. Recognition of work-based learning with a combination of training and education all contribute to the formation of an Engineer.

Some countries by law one can't call themselves an Engineer unless they are registered, and to be registered a recognized accredited Bachelors's degree required.
Same with scientists, some countries its top of the educated persons who hold Ph.D. and /or Dr. degrees and involved with Science. 

A really very good answer, CEng Moshe!  I have marked it as ' Best answer' ! Thank you !
 

 
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Simon Barker on Dec 29, 2019 5:36 pm

Why should everything be regulated by somebody?  Why can't people do science, because they are interested in it, rather than having to have some approved qualification and a certificate from a national body?

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Benyamin Davodian on Dec 29, 2019 8:14 pm

Good evening Simon Barker, 
why do you think so ?  
There are universities or colleges that teach the engineering professions and have some recognition from a qualified body, so the student attending a university or college must demonstrate some engineering ability and work experience.  
I believe that anyone with an engineering degree can demonstrate one ability or another and I believe it (of course you must have the same student background in some way to demonstrate ability).
Regards, DAVODIAN BENYAMIN

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 29, 2019 8:29 pm

Anyone may do science, independently by his//her formal academic attainment but without calling himself / herself pompously a a "Scientist"!...
In any cases well defined standards of academic background should always be well defined in order to distinguish the soundly prepared scientist by "charlatans" that can put in serious danger the people's health!
This is particularly true in the fields of Pharmaceutical and Medicine Science!
In some engineering fields( particularly in the Electrical & Electronics ) one can do any researches even without any degrees : Guglielmo Marconi was considered a Scientist but with little credit here in Italy ( because he had not any degrees!...) but he was considered a real accredited scientist in UK!
More:

 
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 29, 2019 9:00 pm

Four American Guys Who Changed the World – Without a Formal Education, that is, Without Having a Degree: here, as for Gugliemo Marconi, we are in the field of geniality!)
Also:
https://youtu.be/UF8uR6Z6KLc
https://www.apple.com/it/stevejobs/
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 31, 2019 9:27 am

Many laboratories have very expansive equipment the same is employers.
I remember a new engineer from a highly ranked university who in his first week at our customer burned a one million USD $ system.
The accreditation and certification bodies are there to provide formal peer review or by other assessments that the professional is competent. 
While there is no 100% guaranty yet at least a competent body accredits the professional is up to an established standard. 

When I was in the military the new technicians fresh out of training used to initially cause more damage than productivity. So we started in our base a training lab,
the new technicians will have to get additional certification by the resident experts before allowing them into the lab or field. The program proved to save a lot fo $$$$$.   

For scientist's formation in addition to education, there is a lot of research and scientist assisting lab work with their classes so by the time they are matriculating they are ready for independent work or to be hired by organizations/Institutes/labs, etc.

If someone achieved CSci designation it provides that extra assurance etc.
Some would say this provides the minimum but well-established standard for top science professionals.
As to exceptional individuals, they are more of an exception than the norm. 

 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Benyamin Davodian on Dec 31, 2019 11:55 am

Good afternoon Mr. Moshe, 
the engineer you know and did a million dollar damage is not a good enough example in this forum that you have not researched or tested in depth. I also know qualified engineers who built a bridge and breakdown so they are not engineers. In any case, posting to this forum is not acceptable to me. To receive CEng assessment, an engineer must have physical and creative values ​​and of course experience in a specific field (I invite you to look for answers I answered including an attachment to help the community and forum cope and make it easy), a physical head engineer using formulas and calculations certainly deserves CEng appreciation.
Regards, DAVODIAN BENYAMIN

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 31, 2019 4:54 pm

Mr Benyamin Davod,
I think I will expand on this issue as I think we see things differently about examples in this forum. I think also you clearly misunderstood my comment. 
Hiring managers have a genuine concern when hiring professionals. More than that there is a good reason why multiple people interview candidates and the consensus is sought when hiring decisions are made.
Be it damage to equipment or demage to a valuable customer whos contract canbe lost or public safety concerns for buildings, bridges due to the actions of a professional so there are a high responsibility and accountability and risk at stake.
This is a very serious issue and why in some countries a Licensure is required in order to increase the safety of the public. 
A manager who hired the engineer who caused the damage was for a very long time in trouble, this was my manager as well and I know how our team was affected. 
As result hiring procedures were modified as well.
 "To receive CEng assessment, an engineer must have physical and creative values ​​and of course experience in a specific field", I agree I would add it needs to be assessed as matching UK SPEC.
So going back to the topic the chartered professional while not immune from mistakes comes with additional accreditation and peer-reviewed designation that shows that a level of the standard was achieved.


 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 31, 2019 5:39 pm

Dear CEng Moshe,
Not in all Countries Licensure or similar restrictions give a guarantee of a immediate sound PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE. For example here in Italy, where the term "Ingegnere" ( Engineer) is restricted only to the ones that have either a three-year or a five-year  or both) University degree in Engineering Science and they are called here " Dottori in Ingegneria" (Doctors of Engineering) and they become " Ingegneri" (Professional Engineers) only after sitting and successfully passing the prescribed PURELY THEORETICAL STATE EXAMINATION in their own branch of specialization-no additional requirement of a period of practical training and experience  is called for them!
On the other hand for lower professional qualifications such as " Geometra" (Surveyor) and Perito Industriale ( industrial Expert) a two year-period of practical training is also required!
In synthesis: For the State granting title of Dottore Ingegnere (Dott Ing), that is, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER (!...) a University degree + State Theoretical Examination-practical training and experience no needed!... In other words these last counts nothing!
And not to neglect, Italian engineers consider themselves, perhaps presumtuously, the best of the world!,,,
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Simon Barker on Dec 31, 2019 6:13 pm

Benyamin Davodian:
Good evening Simon Barker, 
why do you think so ?  
There are universities or colleges that teach the engineering professions and have some recognition from a qualified body, so the student attending a university or college must demonstrate some engineering ability and work experience.  
I believe that anyone with an engineering degree can demonstrate one ability or another and I believe it (of course you must have the same student background in some way to demonstrate ability).

 
  1. Because I don't like a protectionist attitude that allows only the members of a particular club to do something.  It's often done in the name of public safety, but is really to increase the pay and job security of those who are already in that club.
  2. Because it gives the idea that only a few people are allowed to do science.  We wouldn't tolerate the idea that nobody is allowed to do art unless they are a Certified Artist.  Why allow it for other fields?  Anyone who is interested in science can become a scientist, just by doing it.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Dec 31, 2019 6:49 pm

Dear Mr Barker,
Art and Engineering are two different worlds: you cannot design and build a skycraper with the same spirit and inspiration you make a painting!... Engineering is an applied science (physics and mathematics are its indispensable tools) so scientists and engineers should have the same academic standard ( the former more theoretical, the latter also with a practical approach) otherwise the two would speak different languages....
The substantial difference between the Scientist and the Engineer is that the former study and discover the laws of the universe, the latter put them in practice designing and building things having a practical utility, things such, buildings, bridges, cars, computers, to name but a few.). In other words Engineering is the way that scientific progress gets translated in jobs, wealth and quality of life.
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Benyamin Davodian on Dec 31, 2019 7:18 pm

Good evening Dear Simon, 
I am now talking about myself because there is no one in the world who does not know himself the best that can be from others. 
I will explain: My knowledge and my field is on a scientific basis (mainly physical research). 
I give professional opinion on faulty engine I use physical formulas and that is my strength, so I will not elaborate and explain in brief. Many engineers find it difficult to demonstrate "physical" engineering ability against my ability. I practice almost every day in the industry or other body for strengthening and coping with the opponent. Unfortunately a lot of engineers deal with similar research and flooding on paper, I think any mechanical failure (in the mechanical field I deal with) is an in-house study and unmatched. Don't you think like me?
Regards, DAVODIAN BENYAMIN

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Benyamin Davodian on Dec 31, 2019 7:28 pm

Thank you so much my dear friend Luciao, 
I agree with you on every word and it just reinforces me that I was right in my writing earlier in the forum.  
An engineer who does not know how to decode mathematical formulas or interpret physical science even with his doctorate is worth nothing, because he will meet an engineer who has completed a bachelor's degree and will do research that, based on scientific or mathematical science knowledge, will not understand anything so you and I are on the same line. Well done you are a true frid.
Regards, DAVODIAN BENYAMIN

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 31, 2019 8:43 pm

Luciano Bacco:
Dear CEng Moshe,
Not in all Countries Licensure or similar restrictions give a guarantee of a immediate sound PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE. For example here in Italy, where the term "Ingegnere" ( Engineer) is restricted only to the ones that have either a three-year or a five-year  or both) University degree in Engineering Science and they are called here " Dottori in Ingegneria" (Doctors of Engineering) and they become " Ingegneri" (Professional Engineers) only after sitting and successfully passing the prescribed PURELY THEORETICAL STATE EXAMINATION in their own branch of specialization-no additional requirement of a period of practical training and experience  is called for them!
On the other hand for lower professional qualifications such as " Geometra" (Surveyor) and Perito Industriale ( industrial Expert) a two year-period of practical training is also required!
In synthesis: For the State granting title of Dottore Ingegnere (Dott Ing), that is, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER (!...) a University degree + State Theoretical Examination-practical training and experience no needed!... In other words these last counts nothing!
And not to neglect, Italian engineers consider themselves, perhaps presumtuously, the best of the world!,,,

Same in some other countries, in Israel, for example, one completed an engineering degree that is properly recognized is eligible to register with the chamber register of Engineers and Architects.
By law in Israel, this person can be called, Engineer.
The hiring company will perform an assessment, examinations, interviews and if there is a requirement for experience for the position this person will not get the job.
But if there are more entry-level engineer jobs that person may qualify for the job, pending thy satisfied other requirements and assessments.
For other Engineers, there is a grade at which they can be hired as Professional Workers, it usually pays less and has fewer benefits. Also, there is a similar law and register for Technicians and Technologists.
Many private companies don't adhere to these regulations and have creative ways to hire talented professionals by titling them, Developers, Experts, Specialists, etc.

In the USA Licensed Engineer will have to graduate from the ABET-accredited program in Engineering pass Engineer in Traning exam or Principles / Foundation of Engineering Exam.
Now that the individual is Engineer in Traning, they will have to work for 4 years gaining approved for licensure experience and then finally pass the PE exam.  So there is an element of Engineering Education, + validation of the education and knowledge of theory, etc, Followed by gaining experience and another PE exam.  A rigorous process.  Some jobs require licensed Engineers but there is an industrial exemption that allows employers to hire unlicensed engineers.  
Not all Engineering jobs required a licensed professional.

Each country has its way to regulate the profession, some do a lot of regulation, others do less. 






 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Moshe W on Dec 31, 2019 8:51 pm

Benyamin Davodian:
Thank you so much my dear friend Luciao, 
I agree with you on every word and it just reinforces me that I was right in my writing earlier in the forum.  
An engineer who does not know how to decode mathematical formulas or interpret physical science even with his doctorate is worth nothing, because he will meet an engineer who has completed a bachelor's degree and will do research that, based on scientific or mathematical science knowledge, will not understand anything so you and I are on the same line. Well done you are a true frid.

Indeed there are many jobs that will not hire an engineer who does not know how to decode mathematical formulas or interpret physical science.  But there are engineer jobs that don't require these skills so
even if initially, the engineer had that knowledge with the years if it's not used or applied in their job they will forget it. They may gain other skills in product engineering and project engineering etc. The field is so wide
that there is a good mix of jobs that require high math and physics or chemistry and there are jobs that require less match and more other specialized knowledge and processes. 
Integration Engineers may have different skills set than Component Design Engineers, Chemical Engineers vs Product Engineers, Software Engineers, etc, etc.


 
Moshe Waserman BEET, MCGI, CEng MBCS, FEDIPAdvPra, MIET.

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 1, 2020 8:43 am

On these days we are living quite different times to the ones I lived when I studied Electrical and Electronics Engineering ( 1960'/70' !...) when mathematical calculations were done with you own brain ( with the aid of the slide rules!...)  and working drawings and designs were done with  the Drawing Board: Designers created solutions and draftsmen realized the designs they were assigned. Everything was drawn by hand, which placed heavy demands on the executor. Today, however, each individual designer sits at a computer with an advanced CAD program. Greater focus on the technical solution is now possible – while the software brings it to life.
So, in similar way, a lot of Research is now done with the computer aid so scientists reduce their work with their own brains to a minimum...

Sir Frank Whittle, " British Slide Rules Engineer" reflects on his jet Engine
https://s3-eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/centaur-wp/theengineer/prod/content/uploads/2014/06/23090700/Frank_Whittle_CH_011867.jpg?crop

The Drawing Board Engineer /Designer/ Draftsman
https://saabgroup.com/globalassets/corporate/about-saab/history/stories-of-innovation/from-drawing-boards-to-computers.jpg
http://www.tecnetinc.com/The%20Death%20of%20the%20Draftsman.html

Mind to the relapse of illiteracy! What that in Italian is called " Ignoranza di ritorno" !
In the field of education, Relapse means forgetting the skills one learned in formal or non-formal educational settings. A relapse in adult literacy programs means the partial or complete regression into illiteracy in reading, writing, and arithmetic skills to the previous neo-literate state.
Continue always learning and updating because:
https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/ec5f9dd2-9661-475d-be2a-7d6e4c4d4671-medium.jpeg
 
LUCIANO BACCO

Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 1, 2020 10:29 am

What a difference with the 1960s/70s!
https://interestingengineering.com/top-10-strategic-technology-trends-for-2020?_source=newsletter&_campaign=a7p41R2b5BdXo&_uid=YQdJzWvdOG&_h=c5182a5a087e2b004ca4aca7c1e307f54e8a1507&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mailing&utm_campaign=Newsletter-30-12-2019
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Re: What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

Posted by Luciano Bacco on Jan 3, 2020 9:59 am

MW _CEng:
Many laboratories have very expansive equipment the same is employers.
I remember a new engineer from a highly ranked university who in his first week at our customer burned a one million USD $ system.
The accreditation and certification bodies are there to provide formal peer review or by other assessments that the professional is competent. 
While there is no 100% guaranty yet at least a competent body accredits the professional is up to an established standard. 

When I was in the military the new technicians fresh out of training used to initially cause more damage than productivity. So we started in our base a training lab,
the new technicians will have to get additional certification by the resident experts before allowing them into the lab or field. The program proved to save a lot fo $$$$$.   

For scientist's formation in addition to education, there is a lot of research and scientist assisting lab work with their classes so by the time they are matriculating they are ready for independent work or to be hired by organizations/Institutes/labs, etc.

If someone achieved CSci designation it provides that extra assurance etc.
Some would say this provides the minimum but well-established standard for top science professionals.
As to exceptional individuals, they are more of an exception than the norm. 

https://istonline.org.uk/membership/member/

 
LUCIANO BACCO

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