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Isolation requested

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Good morning All, 


I need to understand something. 

I know the regulation request the isolation as requested for each electrical installations. 

In the scenario where I have the distribution board close to all the electrical equipment (same room)

and each line is separated and protected by their own MCB.

Do I need to install the isolator too? 

I can isolate every circuit directly from the DB?

Thank you and have a nice day
  • The intention is that you can isolate the whole installation with one switch, rather than having to flip a whole bank of breakers.  If there is a main switch in the distribution board, then that is the isolator.  Otherwise, there should be an isolator before the DB.


    If it's a DB, then that implies that it's just one part of a larger installation.  In which case, is there an isolator at the origin of the supply?


  • Former Community Member
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    Thank you for your reply, but probably I have not been so clear as I thought.

    I'm going to provide you with all the information. 

    We are a company that installs ground source heat pump.

    Usually, we install all our equipment in the same plant room and we provide our distribution board.

    On the Distribution board there is the main isolator and after that, there are all the switches for every single equipment.  

    What we normally do is to install an addiction rotary isolator between the MCB and the heat pump.

    Is it really necessary?

    Or we can isolate the heat pump directly on MCB?
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    Simon Barker:

    The intention is that you can isolate the whole installation with one switch, rather than having to flip a whole bank of breakers.  If there is a main switch in the distribution board, then that is the isolator.  Otherwise, there should be an isolator before the DB.


    If it's a DB, then that implies that it's just one part of a larger installation.  In which case, is there an isolator at the origin of the supply?


     




    Thank you for this answer! I had the same question!

  • I don't think that there's a specific requirement to have a separate isolator from the MCB.


    But the manufacturer's instructions may require such an isolator.  There may also be a good safety reason to have a lockable isolator so that the equipment can be shut off for maintenance while everything else is left powered on.  That's really a judgement call based on where the equipment is, and the possibility of someone turning the equipment back on when they shouldn't do.
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    If you are looking at a UK installation then the minimum requirement under BS 7671 is covered in regulations group 464, "Switching off for mechanical maintenance".

    461.1 Says that means "shall" be provided, & that it "shall" disconnect all live conductors.

    So, if you are going to remove the local isolator from between the MCB and the heat pump, then for compliance with BS 7671 you will need to isolate at the DB, which must have a 2 (if single phase) or 4 (if 3 phase) pole main switch, as Neutral is a live and current carrying conductor, thus it must also be isolated.


    As a heat pump is also machinery under the Machinery Directive, then a similar requirement is within EN 60204-1, so whichever way you argue the isolator, installation or machinery it is realistically required.

    If the heat pump has a built in isolator then there is the possibility that this can meet the requirements.


    Also the requirement under EN 60204-1 for means of isolation for maintenance is that means of emergency isolation are coloured red/yellow, isolation for maintenance would be coloured black/grey.
  • Paul posted as I was writing and is clearly expert. However, I thought that these comments from a slightly different perspective might be helpful.

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/pUbns/priced/hsr25.pdf  Regulation12


    In an “industrial” situation, I would expect to find a robust lockable isolating switch. Your use of the term “Plant Room” suggests to me that this is something or reasonable scale perhaps even 3 phase?  If the only secure point of isolation is upstream of other equipment, then you may introduce a conflict of priorities between users of that equipment and anyone wishing to work on your heat pump.  It may simply be the case that placing a separate Isolator for the heat pump is just “best-practice” to minimise the risks of an unsafe act, such an insecure isolation, or worse still a temptation to work live rather than interrupt the supply to others. Many electrical accidents have occurred over the years by issues related to isolation, so unless the cost of an Isolator is a significant proportion of the budget, or the practicalities of installation very difficult, sticking with what you are doing seems best.        



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    Thank you, everybody, for your help and for your support. Now I have the ideas more clear.
  • Don't forget, in accordance with BS 7671, isolators for LV systems must disconnect ALL poles (including Neutral), unless the supply is a TN system (TN-S or TN-C-S) in which isolation of the Neutral is not always required.
  • Hi Andrea,


    having previously worked in a similar industry as yourself I can confirm we always installed a rotary Isolator so it disconnected all live terminals and was lockable for routine maintenance. It also provides a valuable testing point.


    Regards Peter
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    Graham Kenyon:

    Don't forget, in accordance with BS 7671, isolators for LV systems must disconnect ALL poles (including Neutral), unless the supply is a TN system (TN-S or TN-C-S) in which isolation of the Neutral is not always required.






    Thank you for this appropriate remark!