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The Society of Professional Engineers ' residual Members and Fellows are in the process to join the IET Membership : What do you think ?
Luciano Bacco
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This Society is being absorbed by the IET
http://professionalengineers-uk.org/
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Its a good NEWS. Now the question is how the PEngs be absorbed whether as simply MIET or CEng?
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts
This should be determined by the IET according to their Qualifications and relevant Professional Experience . But the real  problem will be : what about the SPEng Members and Fellows who are at the same time already Members of the IET , that is , PEng  MIET and PEng (UK) MIET ?!  They will become twice MIETs ...?!
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts
It is a good thing to point out that the SPEng ,established in 1969 , was a direct emanation of the pre-existing Society of Engineers ,established in 1854 !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Engineers_UK#History
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts

Also :
The Society of Engineers-IET
A brief history of the Society of Engineers, which was absorbed by the IIE in 2005.

https://www.theiet.org/resources/library/archives/institution-history/society_engineers.cfm
 

Luciano Bacco
789 Posts

Luciano Bacco:
This should be determined by the IET according to their Qualifications and relevant Professional Experience . But the real  problem will be : what about the SPEng Members and Fellows who are at the same time already Members of the IET , that is , PEng  MIET and PEng (UK) MIET ?!  They will become twice MIETs ...?!

According to the SPEng / IET ACCORD  in absorbing in their Membership , the residual SPEng Members ( about 500 units ) you should be elected ( but  only after succesfully passing through their further " fillter "  called  " Test Sample "  ) to the Fellow (FIET ) status  but only if you are also a FELLOW in the SPEng Membership ! But since you are only Member , this does not apply to you ( and to all other Membes holding a degree or an equivalent qualification  , too...! )  So you 'll become , by reapplying to the IET ,  an IET Member ( MIET ) again , that is , twice...! So this Accord applies only to a few elected...!
Yung Lai
47 Posts
From what I understand, SPEng will cease to exist including their pos norminal PEng(UK). Meaning in future the PEng(UK) can not be use anymore because of non-existent.
SPEng also in the process to be de-register. The reason why they come to this stage because they don't have enough members to sustain the organisation.

I just got Fellow from SPEng last year but this year received this bad news from SPEng. I feel very sad....crying. Bye Bye my post nominal "PEng(UK) FSPE"
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts
If you are a Fellow in SPE then you can become a Fellow in IET : Try this route !  
IET emailed me about my latest CV for the transfer to Fellow on 6th of June. Until now, no news.
Visitors to the SPEng website are now directed to IET surprise
Roy Bowdler
818 Posts
I am given to understand that the title has been transferred to Engineering Council and any residual assets donated to a STEM charity. I’m unsure why the former website redirects to IET, but would assume that this it was just considered more appropriate than an alternative PRI by whoever dealt with this.  

A quick web map search shows its former Head Office as a shed behind a farm in rural Essex. It may have had some legal legitimacy but clearly not much credibility. Please exercise due diligence when seeking qualifications or other forms of recognition.     
The old office was at Lutyens House, Billing Brook Road, Northampton. It was the same address as ABE, now known as CABE. Just only recently they moved to rural Essex. 
Roy Bowdler
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Excuse the typo in previous post I meant PEI “Professional Engineering Institution”.  

Arjuna , CABE is affiliated to Engineering Council .  https://www.engc.org.uk/news/press-releases/pr2017/promoting-professional-registration/  and offers its own “Chartered Building Engineer” recognition which is not aligned to UK-SPEC CEng. Although Engineering Council affiliation offers no guarantee of a body’s financial stability, it offers at least some reassurance about recognition.  

I don’t know if the address is just coincidence , but someone will. I only posted to share what I had been told by a reputable source. I’m sorry if Yung or anyone else has suffered any loss.

 
Roy, no problem. Thanks for the correction, I knew it is PEI not PRI. The SPEng is now history, so we need to move on.  Actually, I more curious on how the IET going to handle this situation.
Kyaw Naing
2 Posts
I found that Society of Professional Engineers (UK) International Members have formed The Society of Professional Engineers ( UK and International) as an online society to retain their PEng , MSPE titles as PEng UK and International), MSPE (UK and International) .

The links

Society of Professional Engineers (UK and International)
http://professionalengineers-ukinternational.blogspot.com

https://thespeukinternational.webs.com/

 
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts
They have now become the Institution of International Engineers (IIPE) but they will continue to keep the title PEng,MSPE/FSPE(International). The new title MIIPE/FIIPE can also be claimed by MSPE and FSPE themselves as well..
http://www.thespeukinternational.org/thespeukinternational.htm
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts

Luciano Bacco:
They have now become the Institution of International Professional Engineers (IIPE) but they will continue to keep the title PEng,MSPE/FSPE(International). The new title MIIPE/FIIPE can also be claimed by MSPE and FSPE themselves as well..
http://www.thespeukinternational.org/thespeukinternational.htm
They also state:

"We are not required to get the permission from any government because we are International Professional Engineers Organization.
"
 

 
Roy Bowdler
818 Posts

Speaking personally, assuming that the motives of those involved are honest and honourable, then I see no fundamental reason why a group of professional people should not choose to collaborate in recognising each other and inviting others to join in. 

The model being adopted is based on UK professional or "learned society" principles, but being unregulated, could easily be used to mislead by someone with less than honourable motives. I'm a frequent critic of some aspects of Engineering Council policy and it is obvious from the extent of voluntary participation that the proposition it sets out using UK-SPEC, serves some practitioners considerably better than others, but it is a proper regulator. Similar issues arise in other countries.

I hope to attend a talk this evening organised by a club of Railway enthusiasts that I joined last year, the speaker is a high profile industry figure so I hope to learn something of interest, but the club doesn't offer members any form of assessment or "recognition".  I can sympathise with those who seem to have been excluded and want to continue what they had. I wish them no harm, but I would still advise anyone who isn't already a member, in this or any similar circumstances to exercise due dilligence before becoming involved. I have seen too many people with credentials and qualifications that they paid money for, but have little value, or even in worst case undermine their credibility.

Luciano Bacco
789 Posts

WARNING! The LEGITIMATE UK Society of Professional Engineers-SPEng-UK is no more in existence. A REMINDER! 14 August 2019. Latest updating! 22 September 2019. Don’t FORGET! Luciano Bacco, from Venice, Italy

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https://professionalengineeringukandothertopics.wordpress.com/



 
Kyaw Naing
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Kyaw Naing:
The Society of Professional Engineers International  has been organized by Former SPE-UK Members and led by Dr Peter Prasad who are unhappy with the process that no voting by international members was made. SPE International is different from SPE UK. The Institution of Professional Engineers Myanmar  www.ipemyanmar.org  will co-operate with SPE International. 

 
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts

Luciano Bacco:

WARNING! The LEGITIMATE UK Society of Professional Engineers-SPEng-UK is no more in existence. A REMINDER! 14 August 2019. Latest updating! 22 September 2019. Don’t FORGET! Luciano Bacco, from Venice, Italy

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https://professionalengineeringukandothertopics.wordpress.com/
 

After the SPE(UK), the UK SEE (Society of Environmental Engineers), licensed professional engineering body by the Engineering Council, dissolved!
https://professionalengineeringukandothertopics.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/important-information-after-the-speuk-the-uk-see-society-of-environmental-engineers-dissolved/

At this point, with the UK out of the EU, I wonder: "what will happen to the Engineering Institutions and Societies membership considered that about the 25% of their members are coming from overseas?" . This could result in a dead loss of  at least 40,000 members ( as a minimum) of the overall 220,000 members managed by the Engineering Council, with a consequent probable closure of the medium and smaller bodies, so only the biggest and prestigious ones will survive to this real debacle!



 

 

 
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts
More(also retrieved):

From the SPEng (UK) Secretary ‘s Desk: Latest News about the Final Result of the Proxy Vote held on 27th April at the Society EGM.



Dear Mr Bacco

 We will shortly be sending out an email/letter  to all Members with details of the EGM, but I can confirm that the vote went in favour of merging with the IET.

 With regards to the transfer grades, we are waiting on the IET for more information.

 I am sorry that I cannot be of more assistance at this time, but you will be notified soon.

 With kind regards

 Tarnya Evans

Membership Secretary

Information letters are being delivered . Here is one of these :

 From: enquiries <enquiries@professionalengineers-uk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 8:38:53 PM
To: sppl_agarwal@hotmail.com
Subject: Membership – The Society of Professional Engineers/The Institution of Engineering & Technology

The Society of Professional Engineers

 Guinea Wiggs, Nayland, Colchester, Essex, UK C06 4NF

Tel:    +44 (0)1206 263243/+44 (0)1206 263646

Fax:   +44 (0)1206 262624

Email: enquiries@professionalengineers-uk.org

 Vice Chancellors:     The Earl of Yarborough      The Earl of Lytton       Lord Alistair Nelson of Stafford

Mr Arvind Agarwal PEng(UK) MSPE

84 First Floor,

Defence Enclave,

Vikas Marg,

Delhi – 110092

INDIA

Our Ref: TLE/A10834

8th May 2018

Dear Mr Agarwal

Membership – The Society of Professional Engineers/The Institution of Engineering & Technology

On Friday 27th April 2018, The Society held an Extraordinary General Meeting to vote for the SPE to merge with the IET.

A substantial proportion of the votes were in favour of the merger and the motions were carried.

The Society would like you to consider the IET as your future Institution.  The IET membership team will contact you directly during May with details on how to transfer your membership to the IET.

If you would prefer not be contacted regarding membership of the IET, then please email Kelly Taylor kellytaylor@theiet.org .  Any questions regarding the transfer of your membership can be answered by contacting Kelly directly.

Yours sincerely

Iain A C Wright

Chief Executive Officer

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Remembering The UK Society of Professional Engineers-SPEng, Absorbed by the UK IET in June 2018, and Defending its Honourability and the One of its Pre-Existing Members-and This Only for Pure Sake of Truth!

About the Latest Headquarters of the UK Society of Professional Engineers(SPEng) a Clarification is Given in This Seat and for Sake of Truth: No Fake News Here But Only The Pure Truth!

With reference to what stated in this Forum:

https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/806/22982?post_id=111049#p111049

Here is the latest Headquarters of SPEng: the place is a nice one and does not appear to be a “shed ” at all ! Not a shed at all, but a two storey building near the farmhouse and close to the Technical Office of Ian Wright, the latest President of the Society of Engineers ” Mother ” of SPEng  ( https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Other-1286668.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=1286668&location=Volume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1 )  ( https://www.theiet.org/resources/library/archives/institution-history/society_engineers.cfm )  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Engineers_UK )  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Professional_Engineers_UK )

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Iain+Wright+Associates+Ltd/@51.9793012,0.8247285,105m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47d90101f630ff4f:0x6c604f77cb549aaf!2sIain+Wright+Associates+Ltd!8m2!3d51.9791533!4d0.8255232!3m4!1s0x47d90101f630ff4f:0x6c604f77cb549aaf!8m2!3d51.9791533!4d0.8255232

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/LEQAlq.jpg?crop
https://www.nspe.org/resources/partners-and-state-societies/partners

http://www.totalprofessions.com/profession-finder?page=3&keyword=&sector=13

http://www.btbl.co.uk/sites/default/files/Westminster%20City%20Council%20-%20Photograph%20Endorsement_0.pdf

http://www.siet.org.sg/download/SIET-Intellisoft%20-PMP-Leaflet.pdf

http://www.certifiedengineers.org/uploads/2/4/3/1/24313517/ices-siet-_joint_applicationform_1.pdf

http://www.siet.org.sg/download/ProfExam-1May2010.htm

http://www.siet.org.sg/download/SIET-ASTA.pdf

https://web2.fit.edu/faculty/profiles/profile.php?value=206

The Society of Professional Engineers-SPEng (UK ) in the list of the entitled ones authorized to grant a Professional Engineering Qualification.

http://www.highlightcomputer.com/perse.htm#e

https://slideplayer.com/slide/5736218/

One more Journal:
https://1stdirectory.co.uk/_assets/files_comp/22a52dfc-0324-4e65-929a-e0126e3ac4a0.pdf

At last:

https://archive.org/stream/journal00englgoog

And all this, I repeat, for sake of truth!




 

 

 

 


 

 
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts
Here were placed the the Society of Environmental Engineers (SEE) ( a licensed body of the EC) Headquarters before its shutting down...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buntingford
Luciano Bacco
789 Posts
Something, retrieved and coming from the far past: A 1914 copy of the Journal of the UK Society of Engineers (SoE) whose residual Members ( 240 out of about 500) were absorbed on 2005 by the IET. Please note that the SoE and The Institution of Electrical Engineers (IEE) had then a strict professional engineering relation and both had their Offices in Westminster, London! The SoE held its headquarters in Westminster until the first ' 80s of the last century.
I firmly think that this is a very important historical document and so it should be inserted in the IET Archive!
https://archive.org/details/journalsoe1914soci/page/n5

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