Log in to the online community
I want to find someone else to work for but I'm worried he'll make it difficult for me? What can I do?
Junior spark - Dorset
there is a big difference between the two
i have worked with guys who are badgers rough but the work is still compliant
Need more information
How bad is the work that the electrician is doing? Is it likely to start a fire or give an electric shock? Or is it just untidy and not a neat install?
It is best of course that it complies with B.S. 7671 and is neat and safe. I do not agree with substandard work that can cause fires or shocks, or is unreliable.
Possibly the experienced electrician is doing things the right way as expected today in this competitive world. You are new and the work may be below your expectations but you are still learning, in many ways.
If you are really not happy then leave and find a new employer. Or just bide your time and learn what you can before moving on.
If you don't get the feeling he is looking out for you, and takes the time to explain what he is doing, and then letting you take on increasing responsibility to push ahead and do bits on your own as you prove yourself, then the whole apprenticeship thing is not really working as it should.
You don't say how you got to be his apprentice, but I presume on paper at least it looked like a good idea at the time. If you have been going a few months, then you should be well enough acquainted by now.
Do you know how he perceives you, and the value he puts on your work and or your observations on his style ? You could do worse than ask..
In the end while this problem may seem like forever at the moment, your professional career will hopefully span some decades, and this is only a small stepping stone towards that, so it is worth asking if you are getting what you need from it - are you learning, are you sharpening your practical skills, even if that is learning what not to do as well as what to do...
IF the working relationship is really poisonous, then it needs to be ended, but that is a drastic step, and unless it is really intolerable, I'd suggest getting as much benefit/experience from where you are at now first, and seeing how you feel after Christmas, or Easter or some other specific future date.
Also, realsie that to anyone else who may take you on, someone who looks like they hop in and out of a job too quickly is not a good prospect. However, to say "I worked with XX for a year, and then outgrew that, as I was not getting the variety of experience I needed" sounds more sensible and perfectly valid . Some folk have had 30 years experience, and others have broadly repeated the same few months of experience over and over for the last 30 years, and being able to tell which sort someone is, is really important.
What makes you think he will make trouble if you move on ? - has he said he would, and is his opinion especially respected by other local sparks ? - if you can ask anyone who was at college with you how they are getting on at other places, and see if this chap has a reputation or not, it may reassure you.
Also if you do end up leaving, try to do it with the least possible bad feeling, which I realize may be tricky, and involve a bit of biting of lip and not saying everything you are thinking, but for example give notice of your intentions in time for him to pick up a replacement, and explain that, so you are not remembered as the ###!! who went off and left him in the lurch, and be prepared for a gap in income.
Lastly and immediately your comment about being held responsible for an accident, this is very unlikely, as the assumption, at your stage in career at least, is that you are being supervised and instructed, so mostly the buck is his to stop, unless you are truly negligent. If you are really bothered, keep a diary (at home !) so that if there ever is an event, you know which one and if it was one you were worried about at the time. (and you can honestly say ' I was asked to do it that way' if that is true.)
If you are working for a large company, there is always the option of approaching your boss's boss, but that may not apply here.
I think that most us will have had at least one trainer over the years who has two left thumbs and I sympathise with anybody who is in that situation.
You certainly need to be careful how you question your boss's work. College may have taught you by the book, but any good trainer should be able to tell you why he (or she) does a particular task in a particular way. (This is, however, a rare skill.) A good trainer should also be aware of different ways of working and allow you to develop your own way of doing things.
You will have picked up some skills at college. You will also pick up skills with this boss, and may vow not to do things that way in future. You will move on at some stage and will find further ways of doing things. You will still be learning as a junior time-served sparks and hopefully will continue learning up to retirement. So at worst, this job will only end up being a small part of your life.
I thing that you have to grit your teeth for now. It pains me to say this, but you need to ask your boss how he wants you to do things, or show you how it should be done. He may think that you are a real PITA right now; but if you come round to his way of doing things, he may well think that actually you were prepared to listen and give you a good reference.
If the situation really is intolerable, could you get advice back at college?
That brings me onto the 'skills' he encoraging you to develop.
Can you give us some examples of the dodgy workmanship your boss is showing you?
BTW, Why has 'Calvin the engineer' been given an Admin badge?
Is this something we can apply for?
It is a very similar thinking to using the screen names, and maybe the demand for "Calvin" to voice the problems of others will fall now we have these.
The badges just reflect the status of the folk behind 'calvin' and his posts, its not really one person with a career that makes Mr Bean look fortunate, which is as well.
The wages were dreadfully low and the owner wouldn't even provide staff with a pen to use! You had to bring your own, which my immediate superior would use expensive plotter pens instead because they couldn't argue with their purchase. But you're a graduate and you need the work and experience. You're in a really difficult and tight spot.
For me it came to a head when I had a meeting with the owner and he started ranting on about all the different employees he wanted to fire if he could! I discretely warned one guy about what was said because we'd been friends (although he thought I had stolen the position from him, he never had the qualifications or skills to do what I could do), and it came back to me because he blabbed! So you're right to be careful with who you talk to. I managed to get out of that one because the owner had been ranting so loudly that I claimed everybody in the building could hear him! Plausible enough. And true.
At the end of my 13 weeks I was given several offers of pay rises but none were significant which would actually mean I could afford to live off, but I tried to get a reasonable return anyway. Monday lunch time the boss of the products section asks me if I'll have a design project that they'd just given me a week earlier would be finished by Friday. I said it would be tight as I was leaving on Wednesday.
Yes, I quit my job! It's a liberating experience. Hugely risky when you're young and I have to say that I had been for interviews in the last month way from this company, which they also made difficult wanting to know why I had requested a day off! I got lucky as I got an offer to do a Ph.D. immediately after quitting.
The question, however, is what should you do? You're in a very difficult position, if the work is dangerous then you have to say to your boss why. You have to push back and be brave enough to push back. State clearly why it is dangerous and say how it should be done. If it's just that they're doing the job quickly, that's a different issue. Personally I like to do a high standard of work and find efficient ways to ensure that you can keep at that standard by improving processes.
Ultimately if you're unhappy with the company you're working for you have to move. I would be careful about quitting even though it worked out for me it's not something I recommend lightly. Try to find somewhere to move to from job to new job rather than outright quitting. But if the work is being left dangerous then you may have no other option, but ensure that you have stated to your boss first why you believe his work is dangerous.
Watch, listen and learn how NOT to do things. I have had my fair share of Bad/Deluded/Miss informed or ignorant bosses over the years and have made a point as a manager
not to recreate their mistakes. Sure I make my own mistakes, but I listen and I learn from them.
One day you will move on, take the experiences with you and have pride that you held onto your ethics and you maintained your standards under difficult conditions.