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Hi,
I’ve just had an EICR done last week, One item I do not understand and would need an electrician or someone to help please. the EICR report says “MISSING TRUNKING WITH WIRES NOT SUPPORTED C2 SHED.” The cable is clipped on the wood wall in the shed. There are no exposed wires. And the shed is not on escape routes. Does cable need to be in trunking in order to comply with the electrical wire regulation? Is the code 2 correct for this situation? please see photo.
Thank you for help
These days all wiring should be supported so that it won't collapse in the event of a fire (whether across an escape route or not), so plastic clips aren't ideal - but again on an EICR it would be a minor matter.
- Andy.
David CEng etc.
davezawadi(at)yahoo.co.uk
It's not exactly difficult to fix: all you need is a box of cable clips and a hammer. Position the clips with the nail below on the horizontal portion and space them 200 - 250 mm apart. Spacing can be a little further apart on the vertical part of the run.
It really just needs to be neat and tidy when completed.
What you show here is fine but lacking a few cable clips, ( which look like this for the plastic ones or this for the fire rated ones ) and maybe a batten of wood to nail them to if the wall is floppy, but it is not really dangerous - I;d have expected a comment that it 'needs improvement' not a C2 failure.
You could have trunking on the wall and it would certainly look nice, but there is no regs requirement to do so for a sheathed cable like that..
Are there other failures in the report ? - it would be interesting to check, as if they can get that wrong, then maybe there are more serious errors.
Mike
PS the links are to show you what things look like, I have no affiliation to screwfix, except as a customer.
But it`s not a C2 as far as shown.
C3 at worst
Send a copy of the EICR to Dave Z
davezawadi (David Stone):
The cable does need some more clips but this is not a C2, it does not need trunking. Another incompetent EICR. Perhaps you could email me a copy and the photo. Thanks
David CEng etc.
davezawadi(at)yahoo.co.uk
What are you going to do with the evidence you are gathering, and what outcome would you like to see?
Blencathra:
Did he code the non matching shelf brackets- C3 in my book
Well said that man! I like it 😀
A C1, C2, C3 or no code.
Same question with a BC lampholder dangling from a ceiling with the empty lampholder at 5` from finished floor level.
I`m talking about bog standard BC lampholders not them fancy expensive things that nobody buys and they auto disconnect the pins on lamp removal
Legh
Ceiling (or wall) batten fitting is an interesting one. It's too large to be IP2X. Must be a C1!!!
Electricians do not code being scruffy and tatty, the requirement is that an installation has to be “good enough” it does not need to be excellent.
That installation is not good enough.
It is not possible to see the whole interior of the shed, if it is all that can be seen then it’s a Code 3, if there’s the risk of entanglement with cables running across the ceiling or doorway it’s a Code 2.
It does beg the question why someone did not tidying it up before commissioning the EICR, because it’s a totally obvious issue that needs addressing? A box of metal cable clips from Screwfix and a hammer would have sorted it out.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/schneider-electric-fire-rated-cable-clip-1-2-5mm-100-pack/767gv
This being an explanation of how a cable fixed to a wall with a bit hanging off the broken clip/s is potentially dangerous.
If that fails ask politely for an amended satisfactory report. If that fails point out you have been mis-sold a service and require details of his insurance company. If that fails tell him he will have an appointment at the small claims court. Where his experience, qualifications will be questioned and no doubt take a couple of seconds to detail.
There is a guy on here by all accounts asking for this kind of thing to put forward to improve the system. It wont work, the industry is stuck with it. In any event in the front of the "code of practice" is the famous disclaimer. So they will never be held liable.
Good luck, and by the way, a decent electrician would have pulled his hammer and a couple of clips out and solved the "issue." Probably tells what kind of muppet he is.
Best regards, UKPN
Anyone can see that a tail light has failed on a car and anyone with a bit of sense would replace the tail light before taking the car for a MOT, would you start moaning that the car failed its MOT because of the MOT tester did not replace the faulty tail light bulb for you?
The installation in the photo is not good enough and the person carrying out the inspection and testing is not there to do all the required repairs, but simply to report on the condition of the installation.
I would not be surprised if the person ordering the EICR thought the shed electrical installation would not even be checked.
Regards, UKPN
https://www.wyreforestdc.gov.uk/the-depot/mots.aspx
Any issues with that?
Regards, UKPN
UKPN:
Keep with the programme fella, a tail light is a clear fail, and any decent fitter would as part of the service replace anyway. However, we are talking about a simple situation where it was not expected a fraudulent report would be provided by the level of idiot becoming commonplace in this industry
Regards, UKPN
So what you are saying is that customers should instruct an electrician to “service” their electrical installations and undertake all repairs so that they always get a satisfactory EICR?
This installation is ####, the discussion is not about if it is bad, just how bad. I have no sympathy for the person who received an unsatisfactory EICR, it’s their own fault for not getting the installation tidied up before it was inspected and tested.
We can only see a section of the cable, but some people seem to think it is outrageous to state that the cable needs impact protection, but it may be quite a sensible observation.
newtoeicr:Hi,
I’ve just had an EICR done last week, One item I do not understand and would need an electrician or someone to help please. the EICR report says “MISSING TRUNKING WITH WIRES NOT SUPPORTED C2 SHED.” The cable is clipped on the wood wall in the shed. There are no exposed wires. And the shed is not on escape routes. Does cable need to be in trunking in order to comply with the electrical wire regulation? Is the code 2 correct for this situation? please see photo.
Thank you for help
There is not actually ANY CLIPS securing the cable.
Sorry I must disagree.
It`s not a high number , it`s the vast majority of them!
She says although she is not an electrician she can see it is potentially dangerous and there’s no way it’s acceptable.
There are five broken clips and the cable is not secured to the wall in any way whatsoever,it is merely hooked over one of the broken clips.
It obviously does not go into fitting that is secured to the wall at the bottom of the photo, because the cable is several inches away from the wall, so the cable either goes on down at a height where bikes, garden tools and other stored items could be leaning on it or there is a broken fitting dangling on the end of it.
Whoever failed to maintain this installation in a safe condition should not be surprised that it has has been classified as unsafe to use.
It is obviously a potential entanglement issue just to someone putting their bike away in the shed, they could catch it with the handle bars!
What do you think the GasSafe inspector would say if that was a length of gas pipe? Oh, it’s okay it will hold itself up?
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