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Alex13
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Hi got a quick question well two questions 1st I have been presented with an old morphy Richards kettle with a detachable cord my problem it uses an non iec lead as the design pre dates the iec kettle lead as such I know I have to test the lead and kettle separately my problem is I need an adapter to convert the kettle socket to iec to test it photo provided to show the type I mean
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Sparkingchip
3370 Posts
There’s no such thing.

You could test the lead by putting a tester probe into the earth terminal on the kettle socket, but just testing the kettle and the lead as a complete assembly is the best option, because after all you want to know the kettle is earthed when it is plugged into the lead.
AJJewsbury
2012 Posts
Ah the old kettle connectors - they're not just simple plugs & sockets but form part of the overheat protection mechanism. If the kettle boils dry then a spring loaded plunger in the kettle is released and forcibly ejects the connector - so disconnecting the appliance.
  - Andy.
My parents had several of these kettles throughout the sixties and seventies. It was easy to boil them dry and experience the lead being ejected from the socket. IMO their main problem was a loosening and failure of the lead socket pins causing over heating and burn out.
I would check the tightness of the connection by wiggling the plug socket connection while its under test.
Legh

Just to add, this type of kettle has no auto thermostatic cut out and would probably not conform to current standards. I personally would decommission it.
Sparkingchip
3370 Posts
There’s one of those with the matching element in my wall paper stripper, they aren’t obsolete and still get used in specialist equipment, such as the decapping trays that bee keepers use.

As Legh says they probably don’t comply with current standards for kettles and any kettle having one will be a “retro item” that needs to be used with care as it may not cut off automatically when the kettle boils, so if left unattended presents a higher risk than a modern kettle.

Not a kettle that is suitable for today’s teenagers or millennials or generation Z for that matter.

Those of us used to using tea urns should be savvy enough to use them reasonably safely, unlike those brought up with “boiling hot water taps”.
Alex13
24 Posts
Sparkingchip:
There’s one of those with the matching element in my wall paper stripper, they aren’t obsolete and still get used in specialist equipment, such as the decapping trays that bee keepers use.

As Legh says they probably don’t comply with current standards for kettles and any kettle having one will be a “retro item” that needs to be used with care as it may not cut off automatically when the kettle boils, so if left unattended presents a higher risk than a modern kettle.

Not a kettle that is suitable for today’s teenagers or millennials or generation Z for that matter.

Those of us used to using tea urns should be savvy enough to use them reasonably safely, unlike those brought up with “boiling hot water taps”.

That's cool well they are still made and known as catering kettles now hence the biggest danger with these was the cord being grabbed by little hands pulling the kettle and it's contents (possibly scalding hot) over themselves hence still allowed in a responseable adults environment only problem is testing the lead separately as per requirement due to the fact these like there newer iec (kettle lead) where quite cross compatible so have to be treated as a detachable power cord I may end up making a test adapter using another old element used by these kettles minus the kettle potentially 

Alex13
24 Posts
Sparkingchip:
There’s one of those with the matching element in my wall paper stripper, they aren’t obsolete and still get used in specialist equipment, such as the decapping trays that bee keepers use.

As Legh says they probably don’t comply with current standards for kettles and any kettle having one will be a “retro item” that needs to be used with care as it may not cut off automatically when the kettle boils, so if left unattended presents a higher risk than a modern kettle.

Not a kettle that is suitable for today’s teenagers or millennials or generation Z for that matter.

Those of us used to using tea urns should be savvy enough to use them reasonably safely, unlike those brought up with “boiling hot water taps”.

Also I'm a millennial by rights a fact I'm not proud of

Sparkingchip
3370 Posts
One of my lady customers was muttering about her son, he said that the house phone wasn’t working so she asked if there was a dialling tone and he said “what’s that?”.

I may be prejudiced, but the kids don’t have the attention span to watch a kettle boil and turn it off manually.
mapj1
2663 Posts
I agree there are some hopeless teenagers and 20 somethings out there who I'd not trust with a box of matches. However, I do not think this is a new effect, and there are some very hard working and switched on teenagers and 20 somethings as well - the trick is being able to tell them apart..
As some of you may know, as I occasionally mention it,  I am a Scout leader in some of my spare time, and I am constantly impressed how when under pressure youngsters can rise to the occasion and do remarkable things for each other and wider society in the most surprising ways.
There is perhaps more of a structural  problem that society expects youn adults to behave like infants, and does not expect them to do very much or provide many opportunities to show their abilities.
Perhaps in some ways the starting base in terms of what the average 11 year old can do is not what it was 25 years ago - fewer are confident with lighting fires and preparing food (but that is fixed quickly I find - monkey see monkey do  learning works well for making dinner) and map reading has been replaced by google, but there are other new odd skills - it seems that about half of 14 year olds can program in Python, know how to upload to youtube, and oddly an awareness of hygiene and of first aid seems very good compared to yesteryear
This  does not mean that we are doomed however, just that some of the ability is lying dormant.
regards Mike.
Chris Pearson
1887 Posts
I'm with Mike on this one. I like young folk - I think that a lot work hard and know that they have to compete for a livelihood. One of the best things during my main career was training - it's like bringing up a family. The best thing is to encourage a youngster's natural sense of curiosity. 🙂
Sparkingchip
3370 Posts
Far more of them will grasp how a voice and app controlled kettle works than will be able to successful light a fire and boil a kettle over it. 😉

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Appkettle-Internet-Enabled-Controlled-Kettle/dp/B01M35A5SW

 
ebee
860 Posts
I must admit I have a small tendency to look upon todays young as "can`t add up without a calculator and don`t know how to wire a plug" having said that in the age of gas ovens my mates older twin brothers used an electric kettle firs time by plugging it in then puttng it on the lit stove to boil as would have normally done with a "normal kettle" . These two were Grammar School lads who went on to uni too.

our infants can run rings round us with tech things but seem blissfully unaware of things we used to think of as "uncommon sense" .

Maybe it`s purely a shift in empathis rather than dumb up/down as a whole?
gkenyon
1256 Posts
There were a few cases of the old kettle connectors being ejected into a sink or bowl of water when the kettle boiled dry, in cases where the kettle was used close to the kitchen sink!

Perhaps that's where the 15th Edition ideas about bonding everything including the kitchen sink came from? 😃
Alex13
24 Posts
gkenyon:
There were a few cases of the old kettle connectors being ejected into a sink or bowl of water when the kettle boiled dry, in cases where the kettle was used close to the kitchen sink!

Perhaps that's where the 15th Edition ideas about bonding everything including the kitchen sink came from? 😃

Maybe for now I think ill just hang on to this kettle for my personal use making instant ramen and other cup o products 

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