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Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

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Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by Zoomup on Jan 19, 2020 6:31 pm

Wind farms paid to stop operating. Nuts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7904909/Government-paid-energy-firms-136million-turn-green-turbines-year.html

Z.

Re: Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by mapj1 on Jan 19, 2020 11:55 pm

well it's at those moments, when you cannot get the megawatts down the wire as fast as they are being generated, that electrolysing water to make H2 and O2 looks sensible - you could store it locally and take it off by tanker.
regards Mike

Re: Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by AJJewsbury on Jan 20, 2020 10:54 am

Sounds pretty usual for a 'market economy' - the generators will be 'customers' of the grid - if technical problems mean that the grid can't provide the transmission service they've contracted to supply, and as a result their customers are unable to sell their produce on the open market, then any sensible contract would have a 'penalty clause' that provides for compensation to be paid. A decent lawyer would argue that the losses would be more than just the financial cost of lost sales - a loss of goodwill from the generator's customers, or extra work for the generator's employees etc. etc. would also add to the bill.

    - Andy.

Re: Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by Kelly Marie on Jan 20, 2020 11:46 am

So what it comes down to is that national grid need to pull there fingers out and fix the fault

Re: Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by burn on Jan 20, 2020 2:22 pm

Not really fix the fault, but build the additional infrastructure, To do that they need more money has to be invested, more engineers recruited and trained.

Are "we" as consumers prepared to pay for it? Probably not on the scale currently required.

Regards,
burn

Re: Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by David Miller on Jan 20, 2020 4:37 pm

as burn notes, this is all about what it makes sense to ask customers to pay for. it's cheaper to pay generators to turn off for a few hours each year than to spend billions on infrastructure that will hardly ever be used. it also means fewer pylons.

this is the "smart grid": you can't get much more out of the assets, unless somebody repeals the laws of physics, so we end up selling non-firm capacity that occasionally has to be taken away

Re: Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by AJJewsbury on Jan 20, 2020 5:51 pm

Not really fix the fault, but build the additional infrastructure

But haven't they already done that - spent £1bn on the Western HVDC link - the problem is that it's (allegedly) not working properly...

  - Andy.

Re: Money Just Blowin' in the Wind.

Posted by Chris Pearson on Jan 20, 2020 9:19 pm

It isn't entirely clear who is paying for IFA2, but it seems to be 50:50 between them and us; which seems reasonable if the French need to export surplus capacity and we need it.

BTW, there have been some lovely sunsets over the Solent over the past three days with the IFA's construction platform supplying a lovely bit of foreground interest. 😄

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